You'd Have To Be A Twit To Confuse Public And Private

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Private is not the same as public.

That sounds pretty obvious. But sometimes it isn't. Sometimes people conflate the public and the private, and wind up feeling entitled to public rights and benefits from private entities.

Take Twitter, for example.

Twitter is not public. Twitter is run by a private, for-profit company. Twitter is not bound by the First Amendment in the United States, or by any similar provision governing government censorship in other nations. I can imagine a world in which Twitter has extended a contractual promise of free speech to you that is similar to the First Amendment, but they haven't. At most, Twitter has basked in the glow of being widely seen as a place for free speech — a belief not supported by law or by evidence.

Would it be swell if Twitter dedicated itself to a corporate culture of freedom of expression? It sure would. But you'd still be a fool to confuse it with a public entity bound by a constitutional guarantee enforceable in court. Put not your trust in princes or in corporate messaging, in which there is no salvation from censorship.

So: criticism of Twitter over censorship should be the criticism of a consumer that is dissatisfied with a product, not the dissatisfaction of a citizen dissatisfied with his or her government.

Why do I care? I care because legal distinctions between public and private matter. They are fundamental to our grasp of the nature of freedom of expression. When we conflate — and encourage others to conflate — public and private, we contribute to the degradation of our fellow citizens' grasp of free speech, which cannot help but erode it. That's why we talk incessantly here about fundamental free speech fallacies — like the fallacy that private actors are bound by "free speech values" to promote speech they don't like, or the fallacy that criticism is censorship. When we promote some fallacies about free speech — the particular ones we like — we weaken society's understanding of free speech as a whole, and open the door to any number of other unpleasant fallacies — like "I have the right not to be offended" or "online criticism is unprotected bullying."

So, though I am happy to see widespread condemnation of Twitter today for its suspension of the account of journalist Guy Adams, I'd love to see the criticism grounded in consumer dissatisfaction with Twitter, which by its actions is showing that it offers an unsuitable and inferior product. Mr. Adams tweeted criticism of NBC coverage of the Olympics and tweeted the email address of an NBC executive — an email address that anyone with access to Google could suss out for themselves. There are indications that Twitter acted like a fawning lackey to NBC by not merely suspending Adams, but by running to NBC to report him in the first instance.

It's easy to forget that Twitter is private because it's become such a behemoth and because it's become such a primary information source and venue for communication for so many. But it is private. It's a for-profit business, and it's going to act like a for-profit business, and it's irresponsible to trust it to act like something else. Criticizing it as if it were a public entity is an attempt to shift responsibility. It's our responsibility to choose, and police, our private communications platforms. If Twitter acts like this, and won't repent, then if we care we have to be prepared to dump it for something else — or to find some way to inflict consequences on it so it won't act that way again. Protip: tweeting about it very likely promotes Twitter even if the content of your Tweets is critical. It's like organizing a everybody-jog-five-miles-in-Nike-shoes to protest Nike.

Moreover, we can't let our obligations as consumers divert us from our duties as citizens. Twitter, a private entity, suspending Guy Adams is the sign of a shitty product; the United Kingdom continuing to arrest people for trash-talk and hyperbole on Twitter is frightening and unprincipled government censorship. We can dump Twitter; that's quick and easy. Policing our governments is a full-time job.

Nothing I've said should be taken as suggesting that it's wrong to criticize Twitter. It's not. But it should be the criticism of a consumer against an upjumped widget-maker, not the criticism of a citizen of his or her government. Twitter has become a very popular widget among revolutionaries. Someone should probably tell them that if this is the way Twitter acts, they may be using a dangerous product that will get them killed.

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  1. Adam  •  Jul 31, 2012 @9:13 am

    "an email address that anyone with access to Google could suss out for themselves"

    Well, maybe I'm not very good with Google then. It's easy enough to find it now, of course, because Adams' tweet has been so widely reported. But I actually struggled to find the email address on any website from NBC. Can anyone point to a place where NBC themselves have put that email in the public domain?

    This matters quite a lot as far as I can see. If the email is readily available on the NBC website, then Twitter acted like a dick. If the email is actually quite hard to find, then I think Adams clearly breached the Twitter rules and deserved to have his account suspended.

  2. Shannon Lynch  •  Jul 31, 2012 @9:18 am

    I do have a question based on private/public speech places.

    (Makes me think of your living room philosophy :] )

    Does that mean that a blogger could be shut down or suspended from their hosting site, like wordpress or google blogger, if those hosting sites didn't like what that blogger posted?

    Just curious, I think it falls in the same lines of Twitter, but it sure brings a lot of questionable scenerios in mind

  3. Undine  •  Jul 31, 2012 @9:19 am

    All good (and largely ignored) points. What else has infuriated people is this evidence of Twitter's blatant double standards. People have tweeted death threats, not to mention home addresses and phone numbers, (George Zimmerman is just the most famous example,) and nothing is done. But oh boy, you insult an NBC telecast, and you're out of there!

    At least the Guy Adams story has revealed Twitter for what it really is–merely an "unjumped widget-maker."

  4. Ken  •  Jul 31, 2012 @9:20 am

    @Adam: All you have to do is use Google to do what Adams did: find anybody's email address at NBC, note the way it is structured (firstname.lastname@, or whatever), and draw a conclusion.

    @Shannon: absent a contractual term, or an unusual state statute, yes. Of course, the platform would not succeed in the market if it did that much.

  5. David Josselyn  •  Jul 31, 2012 @9:30 am

    The point that Twitter is a private company offering a service is well taken. It seems comparable to various other social networking sites, or any usual blog, website, or forum.

    However, the way many people interact with and experience Twitter is, I think, more akin to the way telephone networks work for voice calls, or, more aptly, SMS messaging. Where voice and SMS are one-to-one, Twitter is one-to-many. While a user's twitter page can be seen as a hosted microblog, by many who use mobile apps it is experienced as an alternative channel for short text messages.

    What distinguishes Twitter, then, from a mobile operator or telco that seeks common carrier status to avoid liability for the content their service delivers? If nothing, then is assuming potential liability for such content worth Twitter reserving the right to refuse service to anyone at any time for any reason?

    Do you think there would be any value in enforcing an interoperability standard, like GSM, where people could choose an alternative "carrier" for their short messages without losing their worldwide audience?

    I'm not quite sure I buy any of these arguments myself, but I'd love to see them addressed.

  6. Adrian Ratnapala  •  Jul 31, 2012 @9:34 am

    There is a grey area between public and private; and Twitter falls right into it.

    Twitter fans might like its user interface, performance or even its mostly good-guy attitude. But by far and away the biggest reason to use Twitter rather than some rival, is that Twitter has many more other users. To censored from Twitter is 90% of the way to being censored from micro blogging.

    This means that in practice a single company is the chief global regulator for an entire method of communication — the only other significant regulator being the Chinese Communist Party.

  7. Dan Weber  •  Jul 31, 2012 @9:40 am

    Well, maybe I'm not very good with Google then. It's easy enough to find it now, of course, because Adams' tweet has been so widely reported. But I actually struggled to find the email address on any website from NBC. Can anyone point to a place where NBC themselves have put that email in the public domain?

    I don't think NBC publicized it. But someone else did (google "ALL CHRISTIANS, JEWS AND MUSLIMS MUST BOYCOTT NBC" for someone else who published his email a year earlier).

    And Twitter's own policies say "If information was previously posted or displayed elsewhere on the Internet prior to being put on Twitter, it is not a violation of this policy." (You can google that sentence for a page on Twitter. I'm avoiding links to avoid the spam filter.)

    So Twitter is not following its own policy.

    I'll admit I made this mistake yesterday. I think publishing his email was a dick move by the journalist, but it was still a dick move totally in line with Twitter's previous stated policies.

  8. Adam  •  Jul 31, 2012 @9:58 am

    OK, well it sounds to me like we're in a bit of a grey area here. So you could figure out the email address by spotting the pattern, or you could find it on some other unauthorised source. But it's clearly not deliberately publicised by NBC. So does that make it OK to tweet it or not? Don't think the answer to that is clear cut. Doesn't seem obviously OK or obviously not OK to me.

  9. TJIC  •  Jul 31, 2012 @10:07 am

    @Adrian Ratnapala:

    > There is a grey area between public and private; and Twitter falls right into it.

    This sounds like an axiom custom designed to win arguments of the form "well, you may CLAIM that you built your house/company/service/concert from scratch…but I want to extend my made-up rules into it. So it's not REALLY yours."

    > To censored from Twitter is 90% of the way to being censored from micro blogging.

    This subdivides the market in the exact same way that the FTC does when it wants to claim that someone has a monopoly. "You sell office supplies? Well, 1000 firms do that. You sell them aimed at mid-sized business? 500 firms do that. You have a nicely lit storefront? 50 firms do that. You have a website too? Five firms do that. You have same day delivery? OMG You're a monopoly!!!" (footnote).

    I deeply deeply hate this argument, because it proposes that consumers (or, actually, governments on their behalf) are allowed to dictate terms to a business because that business – because of their innovation and success – is the only one that does EXACTLY what they do.

    Twitter is 90% of all micro-blogging? OMG. So if you wanted to communicate with another person and Twitter doesn't like you, you'd have to resort to…what? Texting? Email? A phone call? Fax? A letter? A web page? Uploading it to dropbox? Github? Blogger? WordPress?

    Pshaw.

    Personally, I'm pretty pissed about the monopoly that Christina Hendricks is running on Christina Hendricks Services. Who do I have to vote for to get a piece of that?

  10. Ken  •  Jul 31, 2012 @10:08 am

    @Adrian: there may be a grey area in people's minds, but there isn't one legally. The point of my post is that people have to be responsible and act based on the reality of public vs. private and not based on their thoughts about what companies ought to do.

  11. Dan Irving  •  Jul 31, 2012 @10:13 am

    @TJIC – /clap

  12. En Passant  •  Jul 31, 2012 @10:14 am

    Shannon Lynch wrote on Jul 31, 2012 @9:18 am:

    Does that mean that a blogger could be shut down or suspended from their hosting site, like wordpress or google blogger, if those hosting sites didn't like what that blogger posted?

    IMHO, yes. I'll defer to Ken's view if he differs, but I doubt he does.

  13. Beth  •  Jul 31, 2012 @10:15 am

    Perhaps I'm being unduly charitable, but it strikes me that "Our social media dept was actually alerted to it by Twitter" could mean "we learned about it on Twitter" rather than "Twitter the company contacted us to alert us to this" (as everyone seems to be reading it). It will be interesting to see what either company may say to follow up.

  14. Missiletoe  •  Jul 31, 2012 @10:22 am

    I had something related happen to me yesterday when I criticized a small local newspaper for posting a homophobic meme whining about hypocrisy on their otherwise sanitary Facebook page, which I thought was unprofessional. The newspaper deleted my comments, revoked my ability to comment on their page, and then posted a self righteous note about "consistency of views" and that they believed in the First Amendment. The owner of the paper gave me a big "Fuck you!" in the email I sent complaining about this.

    Now I am totally for censoring what people say on your own Facebook (I had the rhetoric that de-friending people for saying things you dislike is petty). No, the thing that gets me about this is the sheer hypocrisy about hypocrisy. Like double hypocrisy. Hypocrisception.

  15. TJIC  •  Jul 31, 2012 @10:27 am

    > The owner of the paper gave me a big "Fuck you!" in the email I sent complaining about this.

    Well, if nothing else, it's a nice departure from the standard passive-aggressive I-won't-really-say-what-I-think! ;-)

  16. Ben  •  Jul 31, 2012 @10:41 am

    Hm.

    I do not understand why you classify these as 'fallacies'. Fallacy, to me, entails an error of reasoning. We could demonstrate that both of these fallacies could be made logically valid and rigorously reasoned (though, they would need to be separate systems).

    Stating that 'it is illegal' and 'it is unconstitutional' can be shown to be factually inaccurate.

    But pointing out that 'this is not freedom of expression' is not demonstrably inaccurate (quite the opposite, :) ).

    Also, there need be nothing supernatural to a government, it can (and it would appear that it does) exist only as a shared construct. While certainly useful it is no more substantial than any other thought. So, it would also not seem inconsistent to apply that same principle – of freedom from reprisal of a system you are presumed, by default, to participate in – to any arbitrarily large organization of individuals capable of exacting some arbitrarily severe punishment.

    Obviously, 'Twitter' would hardly be something so ubiquitous as to fit this description – but some private venues (such as our telecommunications infrastructure) do.

  17. Gal  •  Jul 31, 2012 @11:21 am

    @Ben: I'm not sure I understood what you're trying to argue, but both Twitter and your telecommunications companies have terms of service that you agree to agree to when you apply for their service. You can't agree to those ToS and then say "wait, that's not right" when they are enforced.

  18. Waldo  •  Jul 31, 2012 @11:25 am

    the United Kingdom continuing to arrest people for trash-talk and hyperbole on Twitter is frightening and unprincipled government censorship.

    I'm not so sure you're being fair to the UK here, Ken. The story indicates that one of the tweets states "i'm going to find you and i'm going to drown you in the pool you cocky tw*t your a nobody people like you make me sick." Sounds kinda threatening to me.

  19. Conrad  •  Jul 31, 2012 @11:57 am
  20. Adam Raymer  •  Jul 31, 2012 @12:00 pm

    I'm going to start by mentioning that I am a Canadian. I'm "familiar" with some aspects of U.S law as far as what I need to know running my network of websites and DNS servers in the U.S.

    Anyways, I used to be a troll. A dirty, dirty troll. I outed myself from anonymity during the Hal Turner raids, helped with xxPrincesxPunkxx, and was tempted to post the convicted pedophile Chris Forcand' SIN (Canadian equivalent to your SSN), but was arrested before I could.

    But I took off that hat many years ago.

    I put that hat on every once in awhile, though. When people are being childish when they are corrected, when people are being unreasonable, and when people are being assholes.

    I came across a group on facebook called Anarchadia. As you can likely tell by it's name, it's a group of anarchists. On facebook. Nothing big right? Well, how I found them is they were spamming my friends wall with links to one of their images. The image was of one of their volunteers facebook accounts (screencapped), and underneath it said, in all caps, something along the lines of "FACEBOOK CAUGHT DENYING US OUR FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS!".

    I figured, well, might as well correct them. So, I told them that as a private site, facebook is not bound by the constitution, and if they took a moment to actually READ the 1st amendment, it starts with "Congress shall make no law respecting…." and continues " or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble".

    That's pretty clear as to the meaning, right? Congress shall make no law regarding the limiting of free speech. So, essentially, the government cannot repress your speech in a legal way. Okay, we understand that now. Now that I explained it, they understand it too right?

    NOPE! They claimed I was a CIA agent meant to infiltrate and suppress them, and that I was the reason as to why facebook was violating their constitutional rights.

    Yep. That was all I needed. I ran to grab my hat, and I trolled them for 2 weeks, correcting all of the articles and quotes they posted, even posting relevant sources for my corrections. I would have kept going, but they banned me.

    So I hopped on the account I used to use as my developer account (For the facebook games I made), and asked why they were violating my rights to free speech on Facebook.

  21. Conrad  •  Jul 31, 2012 @12:02 pm

    @Ben You seem to think that fallacy only refers to logical fallacies
    it doesn't . It's often used as simply a belief that is wrong.

    Interestingly this


    there need be nothing supernatural to a government, it can (and it would appear that it does) exist only as a shared construct. While certainly useful it is no more substantial than any other thought. So, it would also not seem inconsistent to apply that same principle"

    is a logical fallacy. Specifically False Analogy . Just because corporations and government institutions share properties like "existing only as a shared construct" does not mean that Twitter, Google, Verizon, AT&T, Apple, or Microsoft can't curtail your "free speech values". They can, do and will.

    On the other hand the Government would need to have a law that any speech they want to curtail is not protected.

    For example mean tweets in the UK aren't protected because of the Malicious Communications Act 1988. So twitter could have censored them without the law, but the UK government needed it to make the arrest.

  22. Dan Weber  •  Jul 31, 2012 @12:38 pm

    Adam Rayner, it's nice to watch a performance by someone talented as his craft.

  23. Ben  •  Jul 31, 2012 @12:39 pm

    Gal,

    Oh, but we can say that's not right – and we should. The United States was once private property – of various monarchs and sovereigns. Agreements were placed between individuals and access to most social institutions (the oath of allegiance). The simple fact that we ever came to be a nation demonstrates that such agreements are only valid for as long as the most powerful entity wishes them to be considered valid (though that could be said for any agreement).

    So, when something becomes a pervasive necessity for modern life – not Twitter, again, but something that forms a fundamental building block of productivity, longevity and enrichment – such as access to medicine, education and technology… What benefit do we see in allowing hegemony to arise or persist?

  24. Ben  •  Jul 31, 2012 @12:53 pm

    Conrad,

    Interesting. I did not know people used fallacy to mean "generally wrong".

    Apologies for my miscommunication. Indeed corporations can curtail our freedom of expression. So, too, can our government. We expect our government not to – we have no such expectation for corporations.

    What I was attempting to show was that, where Ken perceives a fundamental difference between a government and a corporation, between the 'public' and the 'private' is actually a matter of scale. Quantitative rather than qualitative?

  25. mojo  •  Jul 31, 2012 @1:01 pm

    Too wordy. "Twitter is for twits" covers all the important points.

  26. Beth  •  Jul 31, 2012 @1:16 pm

    Um, never mind (re: my above comment). They've copped to it. http://blog.twitter.com/2012/07/our-approach-to-trust-safety-and.html

  27. Kham  •  Jul 31, 2012 @1:31 pm

    "shut your dirty little mouth you c*** i'm going to kill you when your back trust me".
    "come on then you c*** i'll stick a knife down your f***** throat now comeback and stop hiding from me".

    If someone says the above on the street (within earshot of a police officer), they will quite possibly be arrested. Why should saying it on the interwebs make it more acceptable?

  28. Rick H.  •  Jul 31, 2012 @1:35 pm

    What I was attempting to show was that, where Ken perceives a fundamental difference between a government and a corporation, between the 'public' and the 'private' is actually a matter of scale.

    This is the platonic form of the fallacy that Ken is describing. There's no reason to be confused. Governments and businesses are very, very different sorts of institution.

    One of them has guns and people-cages, lots of them. That's a fucking qualitative difference.

  29. Ben  •  Jul 31, 2012 @2:12 pm

    Huh, I had never heard of a 'platonic fallacy' before. That is my two-hundred-level-philosophy-everything-I-need-was-written-by-Hume attitude paying off. :S

    As to one organization of individuals having 'guns and people-cages' – that is certainly a potential harm that the government specializes in. For the purposes of this, though, let us ignore the private security and correctional companies.

    Instead we will look at the purely 'civilian' corporations, ones which would require concerted effort on behalf of their organization to inflict grievous wounds. Private utilities, education, medicine and even housing or (topically) telecommunications.

    Is it your belief that any harm these institutions can do is incommensurable with the harm that our government can do? Presently our government regulates these things – sometimes heavily – to promote social welfare. Is this wrong, then?

    For they are private companies and should be able to contract freely with whomsoever they please, yes?

  30. StrangeOne  •  Jul 31, 2012 @2:32 pm

    Kham,

    People saying that kind of thing to each other on the street represent a reasonable threat to someone. It's not the same as a twitter comment to another person separated by an unknown number of miles and hours. Combine that with peoples tendency to say things in an online format that they would never do in person means that it should not be treated the same.

    Should such threats be used as evidence to get a restraining order? If persistent, absolutely. If someone acts on those words, should the comments be seen as a sign of premeditation? Sure.

    But for the police to go out of their way to treat those threats as the exact same as an in person real world threat? That's simply unreasonable, if anything the sheer volume of stupid things said online would require several federal agencies to keep up with. Youtube alone would necessitate an inordinate amount of police time and energy on words that represent no reasonable threat to anyone.

    We have to accept the fact that the standards for what constitutes a reasonably threatening statement in the real world vs. the online world are vastly different.

  31. Random Encounter  •  Jul 31, 2012 @4:24 pm

    A prime example of the governmental nature of corporations that provide services that people depend on.

    This is just one reason among many I find myself telling people "you can't get rid of government, the most you can do is try to make it accountable to your interests".

    Words that inevitably fall on deaf ears…

  32. Caleb  •  Jul 31, 2012 @5:08 pm

    @Ben

    What I was attempting to show was that, where Ken perceives a fundamental difference between a government and a corporation, between the 'public' and the 'private' is actually a matter of scale. Quantitative rather than qualitative?

    Context is key. Ken was speaking about the difference between public and private in a legal context. In that context, the difference is absolutely qualitative, and it is stark. You may analyze the difference in any context you like, including one which presumes no difference between public and private. But don't conflate your conclusions from your context to those made by Ken from his legal one.

  33. Ben  •  Jul 31, 2012 @10:15 pm

    Caleb,

    Perhaps I have misunderstood the original post, then. I took the paragraph which said that 'legal distinctions between public and private matter, because a lack of distinction atrophies our understanding of free speech' to mean that the legal distinction of public and private – as they stand now – are both discrete and crucial to our understanding of free speech.

    My grasp of law is at best tentative (the notion of precedent has always troubled me, for instance)… But our federal and state governments restrict and regulate clearly 'private' industries for public benefit, do they not? (by extending 'entitlement to access' to these private institutions)

    If yes then, perhaps to me alone, that would imply that our laws say that what is private may remain private only insofar as it does no harm to society – and that it acknowledges a continuum between the utterly private (e.g., the individual) and the utterly public (e.g., our public spaces). We do not regulate the individual to the same extent that we regulate corporations – because an individual being prejudiced against a certain class of people does relatively little harm to society when compared with the harm done by a company refusing to sell or rent (or doing so at inflated prices) to that class.

    If no, then how do we reconcile with the existence of things like fair housing/equal opportunity? Why protect individuals from reprisal for religious speech in these forums, but not political speech?

  34. Grifter  •  Jul 31, 2012 @10:55 pm

    @Ben:

    The types of limitations you're using for examples do apply to individuals. As a person, you can feel free to hate a race/sex/religion, but you're bound to fair housing and equal opportunity acts as much as a corporation is if you, even as an individual, are running a business.

    For examples like those, it is not that the corporation is being regulated, but the act of commerce, which is usually done involving a corporation, but doesn't have to be.

  35. Ben  •  Aug 1, 2012 @2:00 am

    Grifter,

    Interestingly, those renting individual homes are not held to the same standards as interstate real estate conglomerates (nor should they be). I use a property management company to rent a townhouse I foolishly purchased up in Redmond, when I thought I might live there for a time. Before that, I had no notion of 'fair housing compliance' (I had been renting it to a colleague who remained up there for several months after I departed).

    But individuals who lease or rent less than a certain number of properties are exempted from many of the requirements that companies are bound by.

    If you own a house and wish to rent a room but not to any "Jewish, Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, Jainist, Animist, Agnostic, Atheists, White, Black, Brown, Grey, Pink, Green, Red, Male or Female who has or does not have Children" you may do so (as self defeating as that may be).

    One of the things I was 'warned' about was that when this company takes over the property management, they do not allow for such conditions – because they have to meet a different metric of compliance. So if I had a problem with allowing children I would have to continue to find renters/maintain the property myself. (I guess that is a major concern for many other owners. I think that is odd.)

    But, let's move away from real estate and back to commerce. (because housing may be an exception to a general rule of judging a single citizen by the same rule set as a large company. I do not know.)

    We forbid private stores from saying "You may not do business with us if you are x", where x is a set of agreed upon 'protected classes' like race and religion (and apparently whether you have children or not, because it would seem that enough people hate children that it became a problem).

    So, if the government can declare that "you may not deny someone access to services because that individual is Muslim" so fundamentally different from that the notion that the government should say "you may not deny someone access to services because that individual is an anarchist" or even, more topically "expresses discontent with your services".

    I do not understand why or how you can say "Only here, and no further" unless we admit that we are setting an arbitrary point, based upon the benefit that such a point yields to society – and that the function that describes this balancing act is continuous and not just "these are public and you are entitled to such and such, these are private and you are entitled to nothing".

  36. Grifter  •  Aug 1, 2012 @8:24 am

    @Ben:

    Remember that you are forced, by the nature of society, to deal with the government. You must pay taxes and abide by laws. There is no such compulsion to deal with a business; no one will shoot you if you don't follow Wal-Mart policies off of Wal-Mart grounds, but it is a tautology that if you're in the US, all the grounds are US grounds.

    And when things do get closer to compulsion (say, with a utility, where a monopoly has intertwined a business with the government), then the rules get tighter and the business does have, to a certain extent, take into account the rights of the people (I don't believe a power company can prevent you from expressing your free speech rights by not doing business with you, because they are a monopoly/utility…the Klan and the Westboro monsters both undoubtedly have electricity and phone service).

  37. Demosthenes  •  Aug 1, 2012 @10:52 am

    I was just trying to explain this whole Adams thing to somebody on Facebook. Thank you for explaining it so clearly…it's better than I was doing. I'll drop the link into the thread, and we'll see if they actually visit or not. My guess is no.

    This is why I keep coming back here, Ken. It is wonderful to have someone who can so clearly lay out distinctions in speech issues. You're providing a valuable service to all of us.

  38. Rachie  •  Aug 1, 2012 @1:52 pm

    Re the kid who was arrested for tweets to Tom Daley, I was following his timeline as it happened and he tweeted a number of threats to kill to a number of people as well as some pretty harsh racist abuse, all now deleted. This wasn't a case of the authorities being heavy handed, but the UK press ran with the tweets to Tom Daley as it made for a better headline.

  39. Bob  •  Aug 3, 2012 @4:14 am

    I don't believe it as clear cut as you might think at first blush. Though I am firmly in the corner that private industry is not a public actor, the California courts may differ in that opinion. Recommend a review of Pruneyard Shopping Center. Twitter is clearly the new "Town Square" and may very well be seen as a public accommodation (at least for purposes of free speech) in California.

  40. Anita  •  Aug 3, 2012 @12:22 pm

    @Bob, It's surprising to me that Pruneyard Shopping Center is still in business if customers are being continually accosted by people asking for signatures, money, or what-have-you. Most states, it appears, have not followed California in that decision, and that is a good thing for mall owners, their tenants, and their customers.

  41. Tim  •  Aug 14, 2012 @2:21 pm

    Anti-discrimination and public accommodation laws, and court decisions don't really make for much of an argument that there is no important bright line distinction between public/government and private; they only support the point that the government (including the courts who are part of government) will at times disagree with or ignore the distinction.

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