The Shawano School District of Wisconsin Teaches Bad Citizenship

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  1. A leap at the wheel says:

    Off topic, I know, but Learned Hand Style has to me my favorite fake martial art.

  2. Dan says:

    The defense of liberty is often spent in the company of scoundrels

  3. Carolynp says:

    Excellent article, I can only wish that more people agreed with you. I also think that we need a hat tip for any kid who writes an op-ed. I appreciate the initiative that takes as I haven't met too many adults who write them.

  4. Xenocles says:

    Actually, I think they apply their anti-bullying policy rather narrowly. Standing a minor child up alone in a star chamber for hours on end while the most powerful adults in his local environment berate him about his beliefs sure seems like bullying.

  5. Grandy says:

    It seems to me the goal isn't to have them value free speech. Because if we teach them to do that, god knows what sort of trouble they may get into as adults. Can you imagine them actually questioning the actions of a state official? Or speaking out against an institution? How horrible!

    Note, please, that I do not see this as some sort of vast conspiracy driven by some sort of shadowy cabal/privileged elite/etc. It is partly a side effect of rank stupidity at all levels of our society and government. It is partly a side effect of people who seem incapable of dealing with problems beyond casting Summon Bureaucrat II. It just so happens that it will be of benefit to the type of person who seeks to hold office and not be held accountable for what is done when in office. E.g. your typical congressperson.

    The education reforms portion of the state of the union last night was pretty funny because of stuff like this. Setting aside the "a good teacher is worth 250k lifetime income!" portion (where the hell did that come from?), it doesn't matter what you do to train/retain teachers when the education system seems to produce the scenario right here more often than not. It's appalling.

  6. brad says:

    I think you're misspelling 'Shawano'. Unless there's a joke there I'm not getting.

  7. Ken says:

    Bah. At least I only spelled it two ways. Thanks.

  8. shg says:

    I was just wondering the other day whether Jack Marshall was still trying to create an online persona as an ethics guru, except I couldn't remember his name. Thanks for the reminder.

  9. C. S. P. Schofield says:

    Was there ever a time when school teachers and administrators, taken together, weren't a collection of third-raters with the moral stature of something you might find growing on damp bread? I grant the occasional shining exception, but my experience and reading has been that they average out at about the level where H. L. Mencken placed them, which as I recall was about a half step above Sunday School Superintendents.

    Yes, they should be better. But the problem with saying that we should get the Best and Brightest to teach our children is that the Best and Brightest frequently have something else they'd rather do. Also, they tend to have minimal patience with teenaged posturing, and might end up hitting one of more little scholars with a chair.

  10. And I was still wondering whether Scott Greenfield was still stalking me after all this time. It's good to know that some people other than my wife will hold a grudge forever. That comp to one of my ethics seminars is still waiting for you, Scott!

  11. Laura K says:

    It's not just bad citizenship training it's an education-theory that has been stomped on by demented, rabid cappybaras!

    Who in their right mind does not see that if Teenager A is indeed an ignorant, illiterate bully that the FASTEST way to ingraine HIS bullying is to bully HIM???? Not to mention the (snort) Highly Effective method of telling a Teen he's wrong and bad and trying to force him in a different direction…

    The kids of this town are in the hands of Stark. Raving. Morons.

    The school officials and principal's Master of Education programs have even more to answer for than usual.

  12. Nicholas Bretagna II says:

    The letter I sent to the school district:
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    (emphasis mine):

    "Those who won our independence by revolution were not cowards. They did not fear political change. They did not exalt order at the cost of liberty. To courageous, self-reliant men, with confidence in the power of free and fearless reasoning applied through the processes of popular government, no danger flowing from speech can be deemed clear and present, unless the incidence of the evil apprehended is so imminent that it may befall before there is opportunity for full discussion. If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."

    — SCotUS Justice Louis Brandeis —

    By all indications, this student IS an IDIOT and a fool.
    But you people are BIGGER fools. And far, far more complete idiots.

    I hope you get your asses sued off, your pocketbooks reamed, and that your elected members get removed from office on the next election cycle for handling this so ridiculously badly.

    It's in a clear and direct violation of your own official position on such matters (section 381,"TEACHING ABOUT CONTROVERSIAL ISSUES"), to wit:
    Rational discussion of controversial issues should be an important part of the school program.
    YOUR solution? "STFU, kid!" That's not rational discussion, you hypocritical JERKOFFS.

    The proper solution would have been to actually use it as an educational opportunity.

    Gosh! A school… emphasizing an educational opportunity?!!? Wow, what a CONCEPT!!

    To actually use reasoning, facts, and rhetorical techniques to make the case why this student is not just wrong, but very wrong.

    Hypocritical, incompetent morons. And then people wonder why Wisconsin public schools suck so bad.

  13. Nicholas Bretagna II says:

    BTW, the stated policies mentioned above are woefully clueless (emphasis mine):

    Rational discussion of controversial issues should be an important part of the school program. The teacher should help students identify relevant information, learn the techniques of critical analysis, make independent judgments, and be prepared to present and support them. The teacher should also help students become sensitive to the continuing need to objectively examine issues in light of new information and changing conditions in society.

    In no situation will a student be required to read printed material, see or hear other audio-visual material, or listen to a speaker relative to beliefs, issues or ideas that are contrary to the moral convictions of the student and/or his/her parent(s) or guardian. These objections are to be expressed in writing and provided to the teacher.

    The two emphasized portions are clearly and directly at odds with one another. You can't possibly have a rational discussion about a controversial issue if the opposition can say "STFU, I'm not listening!"

    It's amazing the woeful incompetence of the libtard mind at critical thought processes.

  14. A leap at the wheel says:

    Was there ever a time when school teachers and administrators, taken together, weren't a collection of third-raters with the moral stature of something you might find growing on damp bread?

    Yes, actually.

    Before women's lib, 'high status women,' as the econ lit calls them, went to the best colleges possible for them at the time – woman's schools. There, they trained for the highest status jobs available to them – teachers and nurses, primarily.

    After gender integration of secondary education and the marketplace, the high status women of the next generations went into the same fields as high status men – management, law, finance and doctoring (though noticeably absent is science and engineering…) Since then, the teaching courses at college can only attract the dregs of both genders.

    Note, I'm not making a value judgement here, just laying out what I understand to be the factual history. I'm generally pro-gender equality.

  15. perlhaqr says:

    Todd Carlson is the cube of the ass that Brandon Wegener is.

  16. Nicholas Bretagna II says:

    Was there ever a time when school teachers and administrators, taken together, weren't a collection of third-raters with the moral stature of something you might find growing on damp bread?

    Yes, actually.

    No, actually. The following is attributed to Mark Twain, suggesting that it's been around for almost as long as Mann's idiotic schooling method:

    First got made idiots. This was for practice.
    Then he made School Boards.

  17. Nicholas Bretagna II says:

    "A leap", your mistake is not realizing that admin is at least a major, if not the entire, problem with schools. This includes the forms of admin that are teachers' unions.