Public Money Is Not the Same As Private Money

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It's no secret that I think that America's two-party system sucks. So, for that matter, does the usually insipid distinction between "liberal" and "conservative." The nominal existence of a Libertarian Party is cold comfort because large-l Libertarians are too often nuts or twerps.

But it occurs to me that when I make this point, I'm usually criticizing Republicans or conservatives, complaining that I must take what meagerever fiscal discipline they muster with a large and unappetizing dollop of militarism or theocratic wharrbargl.

It's only fair to make it just as clear that I'm no Democrat or liberal, either.

Certainly the Democratic party and the liberal movement have their temptations. Traditionally one could look to Democrats for protection of civil liberties, opposition to out-of-control military adventurism (at least in some administrations), and resistance to the use of the state to impose religious norms, and resistance to the police state. Now Democrats are mostly too spineless to stand up for any of that, and liberals are too often drunk with crypto-totalitarian nanny-statism and censorious urges. Liberalism, and the Democratic Party, appeal to me no more than conservatism and the Republican party.

For an excellent illustration of why, I give you this extremely annoying article at Talking Points Memo about a restaurant encounter between Congressman Paul Ryan and an entitled, possibly drunk, and belligerent Rutgers professor named Susan Feinberg.

Susan Feinberg is outraged, outraged, that Rep. Ryan wants to make deep cuts in entitlement spending. When she saw him dining at a restaurant, she saw something that spurred her to action — he was drinking wine. She quickly noted the wine, looked up its price, and was even more outraged that a man who wants the government to spend less of your money and my money on others was spending a lot of his own money on wine. Quick, Robin, to the Indignation-Mobile!

Feinberg, an economist by training, was even more appalled when the table ordered a second bottle. She quickly did the math and figured out that the $700 in wine the trio consumed over the course of 90 minutes amounted to more than the entire weekly income of a couple making minimum wage.

"We were just stunned," said Feinberg, who e-mailed TPM about her encounter later the same evening. "I was an economist so I started doing the envelope calculations and quickly figured out that those two bottles of wine was more than two-income working family making minimum wage earned in a week."

Similarly, the cost of Feinberg's entire college and graduate education could have provided safe-nightsoil-composting training for literally hundreds of people's urban garden collectives, at the cost of only one easily agitated Rutgers professor. Yet she walks the streets without shame!

After ending their meal and paying the check, Feinberg decided to give Ryan a piece of her mind. She approached the table and asked Ryan "how he could live with himself" sipping expensive wine while advocating for cuts to programs for seniors and the poor. Some verbal jousting between Feinberg and the other two men ensued. One of the two men said he had ordered the wine, was drinking it and paying for it. In hearing how much the wine cost, Ryan said only: "Is that how much it was?"

Oscar Wilde says that a cynic knows the price of everything and the value of nothing. Apparently Rep. Ryan, whatever else he may be, is not a cynic. Prof. Feinberg is not a cynic either — though she knows the price of the wine that other people are peaceably drinking whilst minding their own business at their tables, she also knows its value as a ham-handed propaganda tool that one would expect (incorrectly) that even Talking Points Memo would be embarrassed to employ.

Prof. Feinberg's outrage is at the heart of why I'm not a Democrat or a liberal. The easy interpretation would be that Prof. Feinberg thinks that Rep. Ryan's expensive wine makes him heartless, because he wants to cut taxes and reduce spending to the (allegedly) poor even while living well.

She was outraged that Ryan was consuming hundreds of dollars in wine while Congress was in the midst of intense debates over whether to cut seniors' safety net, and she didn't know whether Ryan or his companions was going to pay for the wine and whether the two men were lobbyists. She snapped a few shots with her cell phone to record the wine purchase.

See, in the minds of people like Prof. Feinberg, that's not just Ryan spending Ryan's money on wine. That's Ryan spending what-ought-to-be-under-a-properly-progressive-tax-plan the people's money on wine. And how can Rep. Ryan advocate spending less of the people's money on the poor while simultaneously spending the people's money more freely on himself? That money could go to pay for a fifth or sixth war that Feinberg wouldn't protest loudly during a Democratic administration, or a new headquarters for the Department of Housing and Urban Development, or good wine at a National Endowment for the Arts awards dinner, or new rubber gloves for the TSA. You're drinking the people's money, Paul Ryan!

But Prof. Feinberg's heart is the heart of a totalitarian — the heart that tells her that everything Rep. Ryan has he owes to the state, the heart that says people ought to feel guilty about every penny of their own money they fail to turn over to the state or to Well Meaning People who will spend it better than they will.

Let me say to Prof. Feinberg what Rep. Ryan was too courteous (or too prudent) to say: get your nose out of my wine, my business, and my pocketbook, and fuck off, you self-important busybody.

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34 Comments

34 Comments

  1. Scott Jacobs  •  Jul 8, 2011 @5:05 pm

    I suspect that Ryan knew exactly the cost of the wine he had consumed…

    Rather his response was likely a carefully measured verbal riposte, intended to further enrage the lefty.

  2. Javert Freeman  •  Jul 8, 2011 @5:09 pm

    You must be young to not see the controlling nature of liberal/progressive/democrats. Better late than never.

  3. SPQR  •  Jul 8, 2011 @5:38 pm

    This nation gave up tar and feathers far too early in its history. It should be revived and people like Feinberg first in line.

  4. C. S. P. Schofield  •  Jul 8, 2011 @5:54 pm

    Politically, I am what is generally known as a Crank; I am the lonely figure in no-man's land muttering "you're ALL friggin' nuts."

    That said, I'd like to point out the following;

    Republicans get stuck with the label of "Warmongers", but we got into both World Wars, and Korea under Democrats, and Democrat Presidents presided over the worst of the build-up in Vietnam. For that matter, it was the actions of Democrats that caused the Civil War. Yes, Republicans like a strong military, but Democrats don't have a very good track record of not using it.

    Democrats get a great deal of credit for the Civil Rights movement, but more Republicans than Democrats voted for the landmark 1968 bill.

    Republicans – by and large – tend to try to use the State to make people toe the line of Christian Morality … which is (discounting Jewish roots) a couple of thousand years old, with a decent if not stellar record. Societies that give a fat damn about the rights of racial minorities, the rights of women, and the rights of the non-connected tend to have Protestant roots. Buddhism SOUNDS wonderful, but regularly produces societies that treat people like farm animals. Don't even get me started on the Hindus or the Muslims.

    Democrats – by and large – tend to try to use the power of the State to force people to toe a line of Modern Secular morality. Like Christian Morality this is often in opposition to observable facts, but worse it is largely made up as we go along, with no real assurance (like a long established theology) that what is demanded from us today won't get us in trouble with the Morally Superior tomorrow. It's historical roots are often bogus, frequently absurd, and subject to change if they come in for criticism.

    I'm a grouch. I find that being pestered to live according to a morality with some shelf life slightly less irritating than being asked to treat seriously "Moral" movements that I am old enough to remember as fringe positions and shifts in fashion.

  5. bp  •  Jul 8, 2011 @6:05 pm

    Should note that the article is at Talking Points Memo, not Think Progress. Though it is not hard to imagine it being posted there.

  6. Scott Jacobs  •  Jul 8, 2011 @6:20 pm

    Yes, Republicans like a strong military, but Democrats don’t have a very good track record of not using it.

    The theory being that the stronger your military, the less likely people are to fuck with you. :)

  7. nrasmuss13  •  Jul 8, 2011 @6:49 pm

    @Scott Jacobs: Rep. Ryan himself was quoted as later telling the reporter that "[he] didn't order it" and "didn't know how much it cost." Now, politicians being politicians, I wouldn't be surprised if that was a lie — I suspect that Mr. Ryan may well imagine that at least some portion of his (potential) voters might themselves be somewhat piqued to learn that he is sipping $350 bottles of wine. That's his prerogative as far as it goes, but one fair consequence (IMO) is that he forfeits the benefit of the doubt that this was a "carefully measured verbal riposte."

    Which brings me to my larger point: why Ken, do you presume that Ms. Feinberg's remarks, inappropriate — and more to the point, rude — though they may have been, are a commentary on *private* spending?

    Mr. Ryan is, apparently, a relatively wealthy individual (based on his recent disclosures), but not astronomically so. Whether he knows their cost or not, he can afford at least few bottles of $350 wine if he wishes. But he also states that paying that much is "stupid" and he "won't do it again." I don't know what was going on; I do know that Washington, regulations or not, seems to have an awful loose, entitled culture, and I suspect that those regulations may well be skirted. (Yes, yes, I'm sure I'm alone in that suspicion). Many people are furious about this – probably including Ms. Feinberg. I'm also fairly certain that nobody I know — even the relatively wealthy individuals — "don't know" the cost of what they're buying. You don't stay wealthy if you don't, unless you're astronomically wealthy. And based on his disclosures, Mr. Ryan isn't so wealthy that I will believe that he doesn't look at prices for things he's paying for ($2.4 million is a lot, but it's not damn-the-costs a-lot).

    Which brings us full circle: a somewhat intoxicated, but educated, probably intelligent individual, looks at a public representative sitting with two men discussing politics, does the math, and concludes that "he is spending A LOT of money." So she goes over, and gives the corrupt bastard a piece of her mind… 'cause she presumes that if he's drinking $350 bottles of wine, it's because he's letting someone else pick up the tab in return for his ear. Which if it were the case, would probably be worthy of some disapprobation – not only because of his professed opposition to the dole, but because of its illegality. (Yes, I know he paid for it — but then again, having been confronted, doing anything less would have been truly foolish had he had any other intention from the beginning.).

    The give-away? She asked if "they were lobbyists."

    Rude? Obviously. A reasonable assumption or the right thing to do? Probably not, and no. But I fail to see how this is a commentary on liberal beliefs regarding private spending. Frankly, I fail to see how it's any commentary on private spending whatsoever. I see a tipsy woman who thought she saw corruption — the opposite of acceptable private spending.

  8. Ken  •  Jul 8, 2011 @6:52 pm

    nrasmuss, I get that impression because, in the story as told, she (1) gets mad about how expensive the wine is and how it compares to minimum wage before she talks about the possibility they are lobbyists, and (2) berates Ryan about how he can spend so much before she starts asking if they are lobbyists.

  9. PLW  •  Jul 8, 2011 @7:13 pm

    Be before we are further besmirched, please note that she is not an economist. Her undergraduate "training" is in marketing (!) and her graduate degree is in business administration. She has never worked in an economics department. She does have a couple publications in good economics journals, but they are all with the same (extremely well known) economist coauthor. Looks like a management professor to me.

  10. nrasmuss13  •  Jul 8, 2011 @7:29 pm

    Ken –

    I'll think that your impression is not beyond the realm of possibility. But, I think it requires a number of strict assumptions from the story: (1) that the fact that she mentioned lobbyists second in her conversation necessarily reflects the fact that they played no role in the mental processes leading to her apparent outrage, and (2) fundamentally, that it's truly as outrageous for a citizen to be curious and/or piqued when they see a public official downing $350 bottles of wine as it would be if she looked at what you or I were drinking, and then proceeded to provide her opinion.

    None of which suggests her behavior wasn't boorish, but the logical leap to private spending seems purely speculative to me.

  11. Base of the Pillar  •  Jul 8, 2011 @8:27 pm

    I thought because she herself drew the line between his private spending and public. She herself who didn't draw a question on it solely being lobbyist related. This is a first hand account.

    "We were just stunned," said Feinberg, who e-mailed TPM about her encounter later the same evening. "I was an economist so I started doing the envelope calculations and quickly figured out that those two bottles of wine was more than two-income working family making minimum wage earned in a week."

    I would note that she herself drank a half bottle of wine. I sure hope she didn't drive.

  12. Jamie R  •  Jul 8, 2011 @8:59 pm

    If Feinberg and her husband split a bottle of wine with her husband, and tipped a fair amount, their ticket probably came out to around $200, which is more than a minimum wage worker takes home in 30 hours of work.

    Fuckin' liberal hypocrisy.

  13. Whispers  •  Jul 8, 2011 @10:03 pm

    A person disgusted with the excesses of the wealthy must be a totalitarian.

    (facepalm)

  14. Whispers  •  Jul 8, 2011 @10:07 pm

    "Democrats get a great deal of credit for the Civil Rights movement, but more Republicans than Democrats voted for the landmark 1968 bill."

    Suggest you read up on "Dixiecrats" and Nixon's Southern Strategy.
    Then you can read up on how the South went from being dominated by Southerners in the 1960s to a party dominated by Republicans today.

    And then we can go back to discussing whether your comment has any relevance to today's political landscape.

  15. Jacob H  •  Jul 8, 2011 @10:48 pm

    I am a recent college graduate (and thereby currently poor). I also work in a restaurant. If Paul Ryan was my Rep. would I be angry that he is drinking expensive wine and eating expensive food?
    HELL NO!
    Just because I may not currently have a lot of money I am supposed to be angry at him? His drinking that 350 dollar bottle of wine (which has been handsomely marked up by the restaurant) just helped to pay salary of the poor minimum wage dishwasher. An economics prof, or whatever the hell her credentials are, should be able to fucking understand that if he and his friends spend lots of money that is helping those employees.
    This is the kind of shit that just kills me. If she feels so bad about Ryan eating at an expensive restaurant she can go to a burger joint and take the extra money she would have spent at the fancy joint and donate it to the government to help us "poor" folk.

  16. Pete  •  Jul 9, 2011 @3:31 am

    When you describe an article you link to as 'annoying' IN THE LINK ITSELF I just can't bring myself to click on it, so I'm just going to imagine that Mizzzz Feinberg (she totally sounds like a Mizzzz regardless of marital status) said something along the lines of "I was in this restaurant that served $350 bottles of wine only to find out how to get away from this restaurant that served $350 bottles of wine!"

    Because I'm sure that alongside those $350 bottles of wine they also offered $7 hot plate specials, right?

    Mizzzz Feinberg, I really detest Ryan and his Bizarro Robin Hood policy of robbing the poor and middle class to give to the rich, but I have to ask you – your table's bill, along with tip… How many weeks would that have fed that minimum wage-earning couple you described? Right now, personally, times are pretty tough for me, and I can feed myself and my roommate on about $150 per month.

    You're an economist, you 'do the math' and then imagine surviving on that individual per-diem. Hint, it's less than $2.50 per person per day. For eating. All day.

    Save your faux-sanctimonious bullshit, and maybe let actual poor people have a crack at it. They're better at it. Bitch.

    - not posted from my non-existant iPhone from the bathroom of any 4 or 5 star restaurant I haven't been to in over a decade.

  17. anoNY  •  Jul 9, 2011 @6:20 am

    Yeah, any restaurant selling a $350 bottle of wine also probably has an average entree price of $40-50, so the professor's dinner could have paid the grocery bill for a welfare recipient for a week, what was she thinking!

  18. Windypundit  •  Jul 9, 2011 @6:26 am

    nrasmuss13, thank you for clearing up the economist thing. I had been surprised and disappointed that a trained economist would think this way.

  19. George Wallace  •  Jul 9, 2011 @10:31 am

    The fact that Ryan turns out to appreciate a good Burgundy, rather than being some prissy teetotaler, is a point in his favor. Thanks, perfesser, for spreading the word!

    Meanwhile, why does the punditariat maintain silence and refuse to confront the real scandal here? I am referring, of course, to outlandish restaurant wine markups and the seeming unavailability of a good cheap Echezeaux by the glass.

    Elsewhere: Brad DeLong has posted a photo of the offending vintage.

  20. C. S. P. Schofield  •  Jul 9, 2011 @12:26 pm

    Whispers,

    The Democrats of the Civil War era, whatever they may have said, were concerned with preserving the perks and privileges of a self-styled cultural and intellectual elite and with ensuring that the Law treats people differently according to the color of their skin. The Democrats of the present, whatever that may say, are concerned with preserving the perks and privileges of a self-styled cultural and intellectual elite and with ensuring that the Law treats people differently according to the color of their skin.

    Looks like the same landscape to me.

  21. John David Galt  •  Jul 9, 2011 @7:56 pm

    One of leftists' * driving issues is hatred of the rich, so it always amuses me when they commit blatant elitism themselves by pointing the finger of shame at conspicuous consumption, whether or not they expressly call for the sumptuary laws their gesture implies support for.

    If there's a bigger sin in the eyes of leftists than living in a big comfortable house or driving a big gas-guzzling car, it's being a hypocrite. But if you're a leftists like Nancy Pelosi or Al Gore, you're granted lifetime indulgences for all three sins.

    Maybe somebody should translate Luther's 95 Theses into modern politically-correct English and nail them up on Feinberg's door.

    * I will never call a leftist "liberal" or "progressive" because those are the adjectives of liberty and progress, both of which they oppose.

  22. Linus  •  Jul 9, 2011 @11:13 pm

    Late to the party, but my favorite part of this story is the way it was told to make the Rutgers lady seem like such a crazy drunken harridan–and she's the one telling it! "Because I am an economics professor, I was able to quickly calculate 2X $350…" The lack of self awareness is magical-it warms the cockles of my heart.

  23. enoriverbend  •  Jul 11, 2011 @8:01 am

    "Traditionally one could look to Democrats for protection of the civil liberties they like, while working to weaken or kill any civil liberties they don't."

    FIFY.

  24. mojo  •  Jul 11, 2011 @8:42 am

    "The secret fear that someone, somewhere, may be enjoying themselves."

  25. Jess  •  Jul 11, 2011 @12:16 pm

    A Representative comfortable with being treated to $700 in wine along with a meal of presumably-commensurate expense is corrupt, period. It is obvious that absent this self-important professor's interference, Rep. Ryan would have let his hosts pick up the tab. When they dine with Ryan again a month from now at a similar "swanky" DC restaurant, after scanning the dining room for liberal harpies, they will pick up the tab. This behavior may or may not be illegal, but it is certainly corrupt, whatever Ryan's policies concerning public spending. The widespread nature of this behavior is also the reason why the DC area has hundreds of restaurants of this sort while Ryan's district has approximately zero.

    As this sort of gift is tendered in expectation of future favorable action as a public official, it's hard to see why this should be considered "private money" anyway. Money spent wining and dining public officials in order to influence their behavior is just as tarnished with the "public" label as that pried out of my paycheck to bomb Arabs. Ryan characterized his hosts as "economists"; I'm going out on a limb here to say that one or both are compensated by or in the direct employ of a large firm the interests of which are addressed by Ryan in an official capacity. That is corrupt. I would not accept this sort of meal as a gift from anyone other than an employer, and I have some fairly wealthy friends/family. Who really sponsors these sorts of dinners, and what to they receive in return? If we're serious about the distinction between "public" and "private" money, it should be clear that of the two dining parties under discussion, only one didn't put the taxpayers on the hook somehow, and that wasn't Ryan's. Who is really being hypocritical?

    This incident would have been reviewed differently on both sides of the aisle had it been e.g. Andrew Breitbart castigating Nancy Pelosi for a similar meal. I don't see the difference.

  26. SPQR  •  Jul 11, 2011 @1:10 pm

    Nonsense, Jess. The attacks on Nancy Pelosi were with respect to the booze consumed on her plane flights on the tax payer dime.

    Thanks for demonstrating the very kind of fatuousness that the piece was originally written to ridicule.

  27. Jess  •  Jul 11, 2011 @1:26 pm

    Now it's "fatuous" to criticize corruption? (At least it's not an "attack"? Novel usage abounds!) Pelosi may be an innovator in billing taxpayers directly for her bar tab (although frankly I'd rather we pay that than her other "transportation" expenses, all of that was more direct theft than it was corruption), but the vast majority of politicians, including apparently Rep. Ryan, are happy to let their real constituents buy them expensive meals. It amuses me how people let their political opinions color their ethical judgment.

  28. Base of the Pillar  •  Jul 11, 2011 @9:10 pm

    If it was just about alleged corruption, you might have a point (albeit a weak one until more was shown that this was a case of lobbyists cozying up). Unfortunately, that's but a subtheme to Feinberg's absurd line of logic drawn between how Ryan chooses to spend his own money and the fact that he sees entitlements as requiring cutbacks. And to that point, I don't give a holy crap what Ryan does with his money as long as he ensures mine is being spent wisely when it lands in DC.

  29. SPQR  •  Jul 11, 2011 @9:48 pm

    Jess, doubling down is a sucker bet in Blackjack too.

  30. Bruce Majors  •  Jul 12, 2011 @5:12 am
  31. Passing through  •  Jul 12, 2011 @12:59 pm

    So what I take from this:

    1. I agree with Ken's argument.

    2. Feinberg almost inadvertently did something positive by possibly exposing lobbyists lavishing wine upon Ryan…except they weren't lobbyists.

    I will say though that I wouldn't be caught dead in public hanging out with economists, that's almost as being seen with lawyers.

  32. Passing through  •  Jul 12, 2011 @1:01 pm

    almost as "bad" as being seen with lawyers

    although far less an evil than my butchering of the English language

  33. Jess  •  Jul 12, 2011 @6:25 pm

    To be clear, I have no problem with hedge funds specifically.

    However, you have to be really naive to assume that when a congressperson, a professor, and a hedge-fund manager eat a fantastically expensive dinner, they typically split the bill. If these guys were "just friends", they would have eaten at Chili's. This is small potatoes compared to the corruption that is typical of DC, but it's still corruption, and you would all admit that if it were a Democrat doing it.

  34. Jess  •  Jul 12, 2011 @6:27 pm

    Blackjack is a sucker bet, period.