Amazon, Outrage, Pedophilia, and the Internet

Law, Politics & Current Events

News cycles are increasingly compressed, aren't they? The now-infamous story of the Phillip Greaves book "The Pedophile's Guide to Love and Pleasure: a Child-lover's Code of Conduct" turned from obscure issue to raging storm to apparent resolution within 24 hours.

I have some thoughts about it.

First, the reaction to the story demonstrates that the internet is clogged with people who either (1) have an extremely poor grasp on fundamental First Amendment principles and/or (2) enjoy pretending not to understand First Amendment principles in order to troll. Some of the points they have missed, out of ignorance or by design:

Amazon is a private company. It would not violate anyone's First Amendment rights if it decided not to offer a book. Amazon can withdraw all books by pedophiles, all books by Christians, all books by New Yorkers, all books by left-handed dentists, or all books by anyone it wants. Amazon can, in the fine modern tradition of Harvard Square booksellers, offer only those books that adhere to a narrow range of what it believes is correct thought. None of that would violate the First Amendment. In fact, Amazon has a First Amendment right to offer the books it wants to offer and not offer the books it doesn't want to offer.

The fact that a book advocates criminal behavior — however vile — does not mean it falls outside the First Amendment. Consider, for instance, Brandenburg v. Ohio, standing for the general proposition that "the constitutional guarantees of free speech and free press do not permit a State to forbid or proscribe advocacy of the use of force or of law violation except where such advocacy is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action."

However, the First Amendment status of a book that explains how to get away with criminal behavior is more complex. A full discussion of that is beyond the scope of this post. Eugene Volokh's exceptional article Crime-Facilitating Speech discusses it at length. It appears from some reports that the book includes at least some advice about getting away with pedophile conduct; I haven't bought the book and am not going to, though.

Finally, there's the issue of obscenity. I can make a colorable argument that, because the book has only words and not pictures, it ought not be viewed as legally obscene. But it's clear that the argument would not necessarily prevail in court, where stories have been treated as meeting the definition of obscenity.

Second, the case illustrates the limited actual utility of outrage-of-the-day thinking, and the unintended (sort of) consequences it sometimes produces. Now, let me preface this by saying that I am a frequent gleeful participant in outrage-of-the-day bandwagon-jumping. It's fun. It's viscerally satisfying. Bouncing the bad guy's rubble makes you feel good.

But frequently I think it's not actually about FOR GREAT JUSTICE. Frequently I think it's about having fun, building our public image, and polishing our self-image.

Consider this book. It's revolting. But the author was a clearly mentally ill guy who used to be obscure and had sold one copy. Then the OUTRAGE-of-the-day crew gave the guy a hashtag. Within 24 hours, the book was on the Amazon top 100 bestseller list. There are now hundreds, or thousands, of copies out there. Idiots are saying that they will hurt the author by making a torrent of the book and widely distributing it so that he can't sell it any more.

In other words, assuming for the moment that the book actually contains non-obvious suggestions on how to get away with molesting children, the OUTRAGE mob has just lifted the author from complete obscurity, given him a chunk of money, and ensured that his previously obscure child molestation suggestions are now known, widespread, and widely available.

Oh, well done.

I don't actually think that the OUTRAGE crew wanted to buy Phillip Greaves a plasma TV and make his advice widely and freely available to pedophiles — notwithstanding the principle that people may be presumed to intend the natural and probable consequences of their actions.

Nor am I suggesting that people ought not contact a business like Amazon and try to influence it. What I'm saying is that if people want to fight evil, as opposed to indulge in venting, they ought to think through the probable impact of the OUTRAGE-OF-THE-DAY they are participating in. (Yep, that was the sound of me throwing the first stone at my own glass house.)

Third, this is a good example of how, in this OMG-INTERNET-OUTRAGE driven era, companies need to have a plan for responding to quickly developing stories. Companies frequently make matters much worse by issuing quick statements without careful reflecting and participation by calm grown-ups. Here Amazon apparently first issued a brief and somewhat oddly worded statement:

An Amazon representative, however, defended the sale of the book. "Thank you for your inquiry," the representative said. "Amazon believes it is censorship not to sell certain books simply because we or others believe their message is objectionable. Amazon does not support or promote hatred or criminal acts, however, we do support the right of every individual to make their own purchasing decisions."

Within 24 hours, with its stock price taking a beating from the OUTRAGE, Amazon apparently reversed itself and pulled the book.

The initial statement had no utility whatsoever other than to fan flames and make Amazon look like a flip-flopper. If Amazon was going to stick with its guns and keep the book up, it could have waited 24 or 48 or 72 hours for grown-ups to meet and think and talk and issue a more complete and coherent statement. If not, it could have said nothing and pulled the book. This chain of events merely makes Amazon look indecisive, easy to bully, or stupid. Bad job, Amazon.

Parenthetically, I am not a fan of Amazon's use of "censorship" in its statement. Technically, I suppose, a private entity deciding not to sell a book can be described as "censorship," in a very narrow sense of that word. But it's more misleading than accurate, I think. Amazon has a right to sell what it wants. The author can sell elsewhere or self-publish on the internet. Amazon's size and market share aside, its decision not to sell a book is "censorship" only in the sense that it is "censorship" for me not to publish somebody's pro-pedophilia guest post here on Popehat. The term promotes the sort of First Amendment confusion discussed in my first post. A more coherent statement might have gone like this:

Amazon's policy is that it will offer books without regard to their content. Amazon offers books that its employees love and books that its employees abhor. The availability of books online, and the ability of individuals to self-publish through venues like Amazon's digital service, represents a watershed opportunity for communication on the order of the printing press. Amazon has made the decision that it will not pick and choose which works to offer based on its view of their morality or suitability for society. No reasonable person can conclude that Amazon endorses any idea just because that idea appears in a work that it offers. Amazon believes that the best way for its customers to address the availability of works that offend them is to engage in contrary speech — including their own self-publishing.

Or, alternatively, if Amazon simply can't stand not saying something while grown-ups decide what to do,

Amazon is aware of the issue. Appropriate authorities within the company are investigating the matter and will respond soon.

Fourth, Boycotting Amazon because it allowed a crazy man to self-publish a pedophilia manual through its digital delivery service, and did not instantaneously remove the book when asked to, is not "censorship" in any meaningful sense of that word either. It's response speech by participants in the marketplace of ideas.

However, it does raise questions. I'd like to hear answers from the pro-boycott forces:

1. Do you believe that Amazon should review each self-published digital book for content before allowing it to "go live"? If so, do you have a principled, articulable basis to distinguish books acceptable to you from books not acceptable to you?

2. If you are relying on "I know it when I see it," do you think Amazon should have the exact same "I know it when I see it" detector you do?

3. Should Amazon also review "normal" books — ones that you might find in a bookstore — for content? Again, what standard should they use?

4. Or are you merely saying that Amazon should remove a book upon a demand by a sufficient number of people? Is it the number of people, or the forcefulness of their rhetoric, or the rightness of their cause that should move Amazon?

5. When Glenn Beck or Keith Olbermann or Sean Hannity or Michael Moore or someone calls for a boycott of Amazon because it carries a book with political or social ideas they find repugnant, and cite your boycott as inspiration, what will you say about it?

I'm not saying boycotts are bad; they are a key form of participation in the marketplace of ideas. I'm saying that we should reflect on that participation and its impact.

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  1. Gideon  •  Nov 11, 2010 @10:08 am

    Brilliant.

    I enjoyed this post/found it useful. I will bookmark it for later use.

  2. Ken  •  Nov 11, 2010 @10:12 am

    I would be flattered, Gideon, if I didn't think you were making fun of lawspammers now. :)

  3. Timmay  •  Nov 11, 2010 @10:20 am

    A well-written post about real freedom of speech vs perceived freedom of speech. Bravo.

  4. Grandy  •  Nov 11, 2010 @10:49 am

    I promise you in the coming months I will KINDLEPURCHASE any boycotts into irrelevance. Well, further into irrelevance. To the edge. The back edge, not the one where you move from irrelevant to "relevant". I'm not really sure what's on the other side of the back edge. Yog Sothoth, maybe.

    I rather enjoyed your take on it, Ken, here and in other places.

  5. Mon  •  Nov 11, 2010 @10:57 am

    Very well written. Fair & balanced.

  6. Milehimama  •  Nov 11, 2010 @11:17 am

    Thanks for laying out the "freedom of speech" issue. I think Amazon used "censorship" as red-herring keyword.

  7. Joe  •  Nov 11, 2010 @11:21 am

    I'm with Grandy in 1-Clicking away the boycotts. Great write up, Ken.

  8. Base of the Pillar  •  Nov 11, 2010 @11:45 am

    Of course I love the article. Why else would I follow you guys like I'm a fawning boy chasing the lovely cheerleader. Or something… :|

    I'll take a stab at answering your questions. I don't see any easy way for Amazon to check each and every self-published book without severely curtailing the value of that service. Nor do I feel they need to. While there are contretemps, such as the current Amazon best seller, I'd let the public do some good newfashioned "crowdsourcing" to find books that rise to a sufficient level of contempt and then Amazon can either keep or kill them as they deem appropriate (if not enough people find a piece of shit that exists, it's just another bear falling in the woods that no one smells). And yes, I am fine with Amazon evaluating the timbre of the tune by whatever measures they choose. If they really hate Beanie Babies, then all the better when housebound elderly women are forced to search elsewhere for the next collectible book. If they choose not to carry GRRM, well, shit, best they hide their valuables from the Brute Squad but ok.

    And screw the people who think this is some charge against the 1st Amendment. They're douchebags. They think it's some kind of moral affront that Walmart isn't carrying Maxim. I mean, goddamn, go get your puriele soft porn at 7-11. But grab a copy of Juggs while you're there.

  9. Dustin  •  Nov 11, 2010 @11:57 am

    It is really strange that people were attempting to judge Amazon over such an obscure book.

    Anyhow, while I am not interested in this topic, there are legitimate reasons for someone to want to know more about these ideas. Some people try to thwart molesters. Some people know a victim and want more information about the subject in order to help. Some people are curious about this horror that doesn't go away if you ban a book about it.

    I do think it's crime facilitating speech and I wouldn't sell it, and from what little I've seen, the author is incoherent and his book probably can't help anyone gain insight. So I don't really see much lost in this little case.

    But this is another example of sanctimonious false accomplishment. If you want to feel really good about yourself without actually helping anyone or anything, condemn the obviously horrible in an extreme manner and pretend you made a difference.

  10. Patrick  •  Nov 11, 2010 @12:15 pm

    It is really strange that people were attempting to judge Amazon over such an obscure book.

    It isn't when you consider that the vast media industry, and two major political parties, screen their dirty tricks, earn a good deal of money, and hide the manner in which they earn the rest of their money by fighting the good fight against trivial threats blown out of proportion.

    Once you accept that there is a secret world in which rival groups of Illuminati fight their wars through coded language whose overriding purpose is to distract and misdirect the common man, all makes sense.

    In movie terms, this world is Dodge City Kansas in the 19th century or Chicago in the early (for that matter late) 20th century. Various gangs are competing to control it. They employ, alternately, violence, threats, and words against one another. Some cooperate for short periods of time. But not a single one of the gangs uses these tactics against the cattle (if you like the Dodge City metaphor) or the booze (if you like the Chicago metaphor). The cattle and the booze are merely the stakes over which they fight. At most, the words cause the cattle in the other gang's pen to stampede, or send Eliot Ness to break up the bar owned by the gang across the street.

    You are the cattle and the booze. You are being fed a diet of kiddie porn on Amazon to distract you from the slaughterhouse, or the customer who's about to mix you with vermouth and an olive.

  11. Sarah  •  Nov 11, 2010 @12:26 pm

    Im glad someone posted this on twitter as part of the bandwagon craziness you speak of. Hopefully will get back to this site again! This is why I like twitter, it's a fast source for views & even info. Gotta admit- I reposted the Amazon FAIL on twitter. I do find it disgusting that pedophiles would be allowed to spreaddamaging and crimminal views. Also, my continutation in the hashtag was Mainly because other twitter peeps I follow didn't believe such titles were available. They also defended Amazon based on the process from digital books you described. They thoughtit was one obscure author but in reality Amazon has promoted books from Pedophile's before and refused to take them down for the same reasons they listed in their initial response. The difference, in 2002-2006 social media didn't spread their flawed policy on "censorship". My inquiry to Amazon verified that they had not changed. I'd like to see if they take down the other books that had been defended by them previously. On a personal belief, I don't think companies should be allowed to publish books that encourage/promote/teach criminal activity. My beliefs yes may vary from Amazon because I know sexual abuse is hideous and flat out wrong but the LAW has already decided that molesting children is ILLEGAL. I find it hard to see that a company should be allowed to sell such materials without consequence when citizens cannot go to the library or Internet and look up illegal activites (like homemade bombs) without possible investigating.

  12. Grandy  •  Nov 11, 2010 @12:26 pm

    Who needs remote control
    From the Civic Hall
    Push a button
    Activate
    You gotta work an' you're late

    It's so grey in London town
    With a panda car crawling around
    Here it comes
    Eleven o'clock
    Where can we go now?

    Can't make a noise
    Can't get no gear
    Can't make no money
    Can't get outta here

    Big business it don't like you
    It don't like the things you do
    You got no money
    So you got no power
    They think you're useless
    An' so you are – puuuuuuunnnnnk!

    They had a meeting in Mayfair
    They got you down an'
    They wanna keep you there
    It makes them worried
    Their bank accounts
    That's all that matters
    And you don't count

    Can't make no progress
    Can't get ahead
    Can't stop the regress
    Don't wanna be dead

    Look out' those rules and regulations

    Who needs the Parliament
    Sitting making laws all day
    They're all fat and old
    Queuing for the House of Lords

    Repression – gonna start on Tuesday
    Repression – gonna be a Dalek
    Repression – I am a robot
    Repression – I obey

  13. Gideon  •  Nov 11, 2010 @1:08 pm

    Ken,

    My first sentence was serious. The second was, obviously, a joke.

  14. Heather B  •  Nov 11, 2010 @1:19 pm

    What about your third sentence?

    Wonderful post, and great questions too. My outrage was centered on Amazon's red herring in using the word censorship as some kind of justification, as though they were trapped by their own burning desire for freedom.

  15. Jill  •  Nov 11, 2010 @1:32 pm

    To answer your questions at the bottom of this post I do not believe that Amazon should search through and approve every single book or e-text but when it is brought to their attention I think they should look it over carefully. If the book is a manual for how to very specifically hurt or harm an individual, especially a defenseless child then I do believe that they should not sell it.

  16. Dustin  •  Nov 11, 2010 @1:42 pm

    "You are the cattle and the booze. You are being fed a diet of kiddie porn on Amazon to distract you from the slaughterhouse, or the customer who’s about to mix you with vermouth and an olive."

    Heh.

    OK, not so much strange as unfortunate and unreasonable.

  17. PEBKAC  •  Nov 11, 2010 @1:47 pm

    Excellent post regarding the legal side of this issue.

    I would point out that this completely misses the moral side of the argument in which legality is irrelevant but is also where you can legitimately argue that the boycott movement is in fact, attempting censorship. But I wouldn't expect you to cover that side of things, and it's not why I follow the blog. ;)

    What is worrying about the boycott movement from my perspective is the underlying assumption in the logic they are using that something written down or thought about can inherently cause harm despite lacking agency and thus should be done away with (obviously from a moral perspective who does away with it being largely irrelevant). I mean stop me if I'm off base here, but is not that a position diametrically opposed to the entire concept of freedom of speech and expression? At the same time the boycott people wave the free speech flag about as if somehow free speech is giving ~them~ the high ground while they actively use the concept to erode the concept, if that makes any sense.

    As someone who believes absolutely that while I may disagree with what you say, I will defend to the death your right to say it I am not getting the warm fuzzy feelings if this is how the masses think the entire concept of freedom of speech and expression works from a moral perspective, and frankly it is depressing as all hell…I guess having principles and actually sticking to them is a bitch sometimes. :(

    Time to drink to forget I guess…where's that vodka at…

  18. Base of the Pillar  •  Nov 11, 2010 @1:55 pm

    I'm sorry, PEBKAC, I don't understand. Individuals using their freedom of speech to oppose someone else's speech is censorship? Simply because the guy can't publish on Amazon? That's crazy. He can feel free to self-publish on his own website and get checks in the mail. You have no legal OR moral right to be heard and/or not denounced loudly. You just have the right to speak without government interference (aside from truly harmful situations, natch).

  19. Clarisse Thorn  •  Nov 11, 2010 @2:42 pm
  20. Michele  •  Nov 11, 2010 @2:56 pm

    I'm sure it is practically impossible for Amazon to go over everything with a fine-toothed comb, the title of this book should have raised a red flag somewhere. You can't seriously expect me to believe with the money and technology at their disposal, Amazon can't sensibly use keyword programs to weed out this kind of repugnant garbage.
    I do agree that the outrage bandwagon, coupled with the media, gave this man a forum beyond his wildest imaginings. What more can an obscure author hope for than media coverage and free publicity? This fervor has especially piqued my consternation since I find myself in the most unfortunate and unenviable position of living two blocks from this person. However, I have turned this into an opportunity to drive home stranger danger to my children.

  21. Piledriver  •  Nov 11, 2010 @5:23 pm

    Great article. I hope a lot of people read this.

    Kudos!

  22. Suchada @ Mama Eve  •  Nov 11, 2010 @9:34 pm

    Thank you for this. I linked to it in my own response. I'm a mommy blogger, so I know it's not going to be popular that I'm not boycotting, but I just don't feel comfortable with the whole thing.

  23. nrasmuss  •  Nov 12, 2010 @2:58 am

    Ken -
    Astute analysis of Amazon's handling of the matter (*Stupid*), as well as the 1st Amend issue.

    But the important question begs: WHY is it that the (seemingly vast) majority of Americans apparently fail to grasp the simple baseline issue here: The 1st Amendment protects you from the government – not (individuals)? Schools? Courts? Idiot TV commentators? Simple willful blindness?

  24. Ken  •  Nov 12, 2010 @7:56 am

    nrasmuss:

    Thanks. I think I'd have to say that the reasons include (1) public figures relentlessly promoting incorrect understandings of fundamental constitutional principles; (2) companies and private figures promoting such misunderstandings for their own ends (I'd argue that Amazon does that here with a misleading use of "censorship"), (3) educational standards that underestimate the capacity of students to learn basic constitutional principles, and (4) a media that is frequently legally illiterate.

  25. Ken  •  Nov 12, 2010 @7:58 am

    Suchada, I hope you won't take it wrong if I tell you that it's a pet peeve of mine when good and thoughtful writers diminish themselves with the "mommy blogger" label. Bloggers are bloggers.

  26. Chris  •  Nov 12, 2010 @12:10 pm

    "You can’t seriously expect me to believe with the money and technology at their disposal, Amazon can’t sensibly use keyword programs to weed out this kind of repugnant garbage."

    You don't work in software, do you? This is exactly the kind of thing that's extremely hard to do well.

  27. Ken  •  Nov 12, 2010 @12:13 pm

    As internet filters show, the problem is not in finding technology that identifies certain words — the problem is in selecting your words in the first place.

  28. Base of the Pillar  •  Nov 12, 2010 @12:34 pm

    And then consider the dolphins that get caught with the tuna. I can think of a half dozen books off just the top of my illiterate head that would easily trip a dozen filters, books (which I know because they are movies…) like Sleepers, Lovely Bones, or Mystic River. Lot of pedophilia there but all worthy books.

  29. Robert  •  Nov 12, 2010 @9:52 pm

    Amazon has enabled the "angry mob" method of getting ones way. This is unfortunate. Angry Mobs should never be coddled.

  30. Robert  •  Nov 12, 2010 @9:55 pm

    It's also interesting how many of the female people posting comments here have their heads wrapped around the "pedophile" issue and not the actual issue we're discussing. I'd also take exception to the "what about the innocent children" arguments. Children are nasty and cruel. They're no more innocent than anyone else.

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