I am thankful for government . . .

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. . . for government reminds me not to drink from the urinal.

Chandler's new City Hall comes with some features that have municipal workers and visitors scratching their heads. Like the restroom signs that tell people not to drink out of the urinals and toilets.

The underlying article implies that the signs are there because the building uses reclaimed wastewater to flush the toilets and urinals (sensible) and that pertinent regulations require all wastewater uses to be accompanied by warning signs (not sensible).

Query:

1. If there are people who want to drink from the toilet, shouldn't we just let them do whatever makes them happy and keep all the good water for ourselves?

2. If a person is inclined to drink from the toilet, is there a rational basis to believe that a sign telling them not to is likely to influence their behavior? (This is a variation on a question that got me disapprovingly hissed during torts class at a certain East Coast diploma mill 20 years ago: if someone sees nothing wrong with pouring perfume onto an open flame to make a nice scent, what are the chances that they will heed a warning not to pour alcohol-based perfumes onto open flames? Aren't we just ruining the aesthetics of our perfume bottles for the benefit of .1% of the population that would probably be better off confined to burn wards anyway?)

With any luck, charismatic thinker John Cole will be here any moment to explain that by asking these questions I am identifying myself as a glibertarian teahaddist Palinite freak.

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  1. Dustin  •  Nov 10, 2010 @10:25 pm

    "1. If there are people who want to drink from the toilet, shouldn’t we just let them do whatever makes them happy and keep all the good water for ourselves? "

    This seems a lot like asking why we are ticketed for not bucking up. Only an idiot wouldn't buckle up anyway, but hey, if that makes you happy…

    We're a pretty dumbass society if we need to warn people not to drink out of the commode. Common sense and enforcement discretion should prevail, preventing the kind of waste of a million stupid signs.

    It never will until we find some miracle solution to lawsuit abuse.

  2. RLMullen  •  Nov 11, 2010 @5:35 am

    @Ken, I'm surprised that you didn't include a bit on the FDA's proposed warning labels on cigarettes.

  3. Ken  •  Nov 11, 2010 @8:37 am

    RLMullen, watch for a post on that.

  4. John  •  Nov 11, 2010 @10:43 am

    Now, I realize that Florida has a certain reputation… that nothwithstanding, we also have hurricanes that can wipe out water distribution systems for a period of time.

    At the advent of a hurricane, residents (those not running for their lives and clogging up the interstates, anyway) are encouraged to fill bathtubs with potable water. It is also noted that toilet tanks (not the bowls) contain 3-5 gals of water, too.

    If gray water is being used to fill those toilet tanks, then a different set of preparation guidelines need to be followed in anticipation of a hurricane. Just sayin'…

  5. Kevin Carson  •  Nov 11, 2010 @6:10 pm

    Re the second question, how about those stupid ass signs on the gas pump that warn "If you drive away without paying, you could lose your license. If you steal gas, this could be your last day to drive"? Huh? Someone's not afraid to steal gas, but they'd be afraid to drive without a license?

    There's a certain breed of liberal, apparently, that think signs bearing unenforceable commands have some magical effect on reality.

    Me, I'm more of the persuasion that if something's not "a good idea," then I don't care whether it's "the law" — regardless of whether it comes from the President or the Pope.

  6. That Guy  •  Nov 11, 2010 @6:51 pm

    John Cole would probably agree with you on this one, but it's much easier to look at one post and decide you know everything about him.

  7. Ken  •  Nov 11, 2010 @7:14 pm

    It was actually a series of posts I was referencing, That Guy. And the delta between his posts and the posts of the people he was sneering at was fairly stark. But we can agree to disagree.

  8. stan  •  Nov 11, 2010 @7:51 pm

    …just the modern version of the signs I saw at some choice establishments years ago: Don't throw [cigarette] butts in urinal; it makes them soggy and hard to light!

  9. Dan Weber  •  Nov 12, 2010 @2:18 pm

    "Don't drink from the urinal, OR ELSE."

  10. J  •  Nov 13, 2010 @1:35 pm

    Generally, the assumption is that water used in plumbing is potable. I think it's a good idea to have regulations to require a notice when it isn't.

    As John points out, in the event of an emergency people may need that water, and it's important to note when reclaimed water is being used.

  11. SPQR  •  Nov 13, 2010 @2:39 pm

    Kevin, the intimidation value of those signs in my state is the oafish pudgy looking Colorado State Patrol officer whose photo adorns them.

  12. MadRocketScientist  •  Nov 15, 2010 @12:54 pm

    Feel free to correct me, but how often do you see urinals or toilets with tanks in public bathrooms anymore?

    If the bathrooms in question use tanks instead of the tankless systems found, well, everywhere, then the signs are there why?

    If they do use tanks, then I could understand.

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