Comments on: Darryl Stingley Was A Fair Hit, And That's The Problem http://www.popehat.com/2010/07/27/darryl-stingley-was-a-fair-hit-and-thats-the-problem/ A Group Complaint about Law, Liberty, and Leisure Thu, 09 Feb 2012 22:39:39 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Patrick http://www.popehat.com/2010/07/27/darryl-stingley-was-a-fair-hit-and-thats-the-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-103354 Patrick Wed, 28 Jul 2010 17:39:24 +0000 http://www.popehat.com/?p=8852#comment-103354 Jinx! Buy me a Coke. I was typing my second reply while you were writing your mumbo jumbo Charles. I'm quite aware of the history of football. The only true football master here is Grandy, and I'd like to hear his take on this. You and I are but earth. Jinx! Buy me a Coke. I was typing my second reply while you were writing your mumbo jumbo Charles.

I'm quite aware of the history of football. The only true football master here is Grandy, and I'd like to hear his take on this.

You and I are but earth.

]]> By: Patrick http://www.popehat.com/2010/07/27/darryl-stingley-was-a-fair-hit-and-thats-the-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-103353 Patrick Wed, 28 Jul 2010 17:37:16 +0000 http://www.popehat.com/?p=8852#comment-103353 To be fair, you probably have a better point on Butkus (who definitely played a more lawless game than Taylor), and the rules on receiver tackling were amended in large part because of Tatum, but I still think the comparison stands up, among all three. Taylor, and Butkus for that matter, were great linebackers in part because they were able to cover and deal with receivers. A lot of Taylor's greatest plays involved wiping out wide receivers. Taylor was faster than many receivers. Tatum, on the other hand, was a great blitzer. He'd go to the line, and he was feared by linemen as well as quarterbacks and running backs. Since all three were all-around defenders, albeit at different positions (Butkus played middle for a lot of his career), I think the comparison stands. To be fair, you probably have a better point on Butkus (who definitely played a more lawless game than Taylor), and the rules on receiver tackling were amended in large part because of Tatum, but I still think the comparison stands up, among all three.

Taylor, and Butkus for that matter, were great linebackers in part because they were able to cover and deal with receivers. A lot of Taylor's greatest plays involved wiping out wide receivers. Taylor was faster than many receivers. Tatum, on the other hand, was a great blitzer. He'd go to the line, and he was feared by linemen as well as quarterbacks and running backs.

Since all three were all-around defenders, albeit at different positions (Butkus played middle for a lot of his career), I think the comparison stands.

]]> By: Charles http://www.popehat.com/2010/07/27/darryl-stingley-was-a-fair-hit-and-thats-the-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-103350 Charles Wed, 28 Jul 2010 17:34:41 +0000 http://www.popehat.com/?p=8852#comment-103350 The Stingley hit was in 1978. After that, the league began <a href="http://www.steelersfever.com/nfl_history_of_rules.html" rel="nofollow">instituting new rules</a> to rein in the kind of hits that fill the Tatum highlight reel. LT entered the league under the new regime. The Stingley hit was in 1978. After that, the league began instituting new rules to rein in the kind of hits that fill the Tatum highlight reel. LT entered the league under the new regime.

]]> By: Patrick http://www.popehat.com/2010/07/27/darryl-stingley-was-a-fair-hit-and-thats-the-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-103340 Patrick Wed, 28 Jul 2010 17:06:09 +0000 http://www.popehat.com/?p=8852#comment-103340 Jack Tatum retired in 1980, while Lawrence Taylor debuted in 1981 Charles. I'll admit that the Muppet Show was cancelled and John Denver's career went into a nosedive and probably all sorts of other catastrophes occurred during that time frame, but I wouldn't call one season a new era. The Oakland Raiders who won the Super Bowl in 1980 were playing pretty much the same game as the Los Angeles Raiders who won it in 1983. Not to mention the New York Giants. Jack Tatum retired in 1980, while Lawrence Taylor debuted in 1981 Charles.

I'll admit that the Muppet Show was cancelled and John Denver's career went into a nosedive and probably all sorts of other catastrophes occurred during that time frame, but I wouldn't call one season a new era.

The Oakland Raiders who won the Super Bowl in 1980 were playing pretty much the same game as the Los Angeles Raiders who won it in 1983. Not to mention the New York Giants.

]]> By: Charles http://www.popehat.com/2010/07/27/darryl-stingley-was-a-fair-hit-and-thats-the-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-103332 Charles Wed, 28 Jul 2010 16:54:01 +0000 http://www.popehat.com/?p=8852#comment-103332 You can't compare tacklers across eras like that. If LT were allowed to do what Tatum <i>was</i> allowed to do there would be an 'In Memoriam' exhibit in the Canton for LT's victims. It is also weird to compare a DE to a DB in terms of tackling styles; they are typically approaching the ball-carrier from such different angles. As for the hit on Theisman, it would have been a clean hit in any era under any rules; Theisman happened to have his cleat stuck in the turf. LT was so mortified he started screaming for medical attention immediately. You can't compare tacklers across eras like that. If LT were allowed to do what Tatum was allowed to do there would be an 'In Memoriam' exhibit in the Canton for LT's victims. It is also weird to compare a DE to a DB in terms of tackling styles; they are typically approaching the ball-carrier from such different angles.

As for the hit on Theisman, it would have been a clean hit in any era under any rules; Theisman happened to have his cleat stuck in the turf. LT was so mortified he started screaming for medical attention immediately.

]]> By: Patrick http://www.popehat.com/2010/07/27/darryl-stingley-was-a-fair-hit-and-thats-the-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-103306 Patrick Wed, 28 Jul 2010 15:24:47 +0000 http://www.popehat.com/?p=8852#comment-103306 That was Lawrence Taylor. Perry probably couldn't have broken another man's leg, unless someone was foolish enough to venture close to Perry's event horizon, in which case Theismann would probably have wound up in another universe, legs and all. That was Lawrence Taylor.

Perry probably couldn't have broken another man's leg, unless someone was foolish enough to venture close to Perry's event horizon, in which case Theismann would probably have wound up in another universe, legs and all.

]]> By: mojo http://www.popehat.com/2010/07/27/darryl-stingley-was-a-fair-hit-and-thats-the-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-103301 mojo Wed, 28 Jul 2010 15:11:59 +0000 http://www.popehat.com/?p=8852#comment-103301 What about "Refrigerator" Perry driving the broken end of Theisman's thigh bone into the dirt on national TV. Even I heard the *snap*... What about "Refrigerator" Perry driving the broken end of Theisman's thigh bone into the dirt on national TV. Even I heard the *snap*…

]]> By: Death watch. « Whipped Cream Difficulties http://www.popehat.com/2010/07/27/darryl-stingley-was-a-fair-hit-and-thats-the-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-103121 Death watch. « Whipped Cream Difficulties Wed, 28 Jul 2010 02:00:26 +0000 http://www.popehat.com/?p=8852#comment-103121 [...] (Hattip to Patrick at Popehat.) [...] [...] (Hattip to Patrick at Popehat.) [...]

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