Why I Am A Small-l Libertarian, Not a Large-L Libertarian

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I keep saying here that I'm a small-l libertarian. What does that mean? It means that I'm not a member of the Libertarian Party, and don't have any plans to become one. Why? In part it's because I think party identification encourages sloppy thinking and orthodoxy — it leads us to adopt positions not because we've concluded those positions have merit, but because the tribe with which we identify has adopted them.

Also, to be blunt, it's because the Libertarian Party and other bastions of libertarian officialdom (as opposed to individual libertarians) seem doomed to attract cranks and crazies, much to the detriment of libertarian ideas.

Case in point . . . .

Last year I wrote this post demonstrating that the Los Angeles Times had indulged in legally illiterate scaremongering about the PATRIOT Act. In short, the Times asserted that a woman named Tamara Freeman was held under the PATRIOT Act for misbehaving on an airplane, when in fact she was prosecuted based on a law that existed before the PATRIOT Act, based upon elements unchanged by the PATRIOT Act, for conduct that the Times substantially distorted and minimized. In other words, the PATRIOT Act had nothing do to with it. Here's how I closed:

As I have often argued on this blog, citizens should remain vigilant about how our government uses the convenient excuse of the War on Terror to expand police powers and trammel rights in a manner unrelated to legitimate anti-terrorist efforts. The media does it job when it reports on genuine abuses and expansions of power. However, like the boy who cried wolf, the media does more harm than good when it does not do its homework before asserting that pre-existing norms and practices are actually new developments. And the media certainly doesn’t do its job when it attempts to sanitize someone like Tamera Freeman.

You would think that nobody could read that and conclude that I'm a Republican defending the PATRIOT Act.

You'd be wrong. Here's the comment we got last night:

Hay [sic] dumbass Republican’s [sic] you are not safer on airlines becuase [sic] the Gov’t uses the Patriot Act for trivial nonsense like this. The LA Times was very correct in there [sic] reporting. Welcome to the USSA

This was so dumb, so sub-literate, and so completely lacking in any sign of reading comprehension that I decided to Google "mdabfab23@aol.com", the email address left with the comment. To my surprise — wait, that's misleading, to my regret — I discovered that the email address belonged to Dave Begy, "Membership Chair" of the San Diego Libertarian Party.

Surely, I thought, this must be some statist trying to discredit libertarians by trolling blogs with silly comments and leaving the email addresses of libertarian party officials. Right? So I sent Mr. Begy an email warning him that someone was misusing his email address using the name "Joe."

No such luck. Here's what I got back:

No your [sic] the educated idiot. If you think your [sic] safer on a plane because the Patriot Act is applied in this manner and a woman is denied her god given right of Habeas Corpus to go in front of a judge to answer to the charges brought against her then all I can say your a sad human being.
Got it! Did I make myself clear enough this time?

Yep, that sounds like the same commenter. I replied rather brusquely, he replied in kind again:

O.K. Mr. Fed [the name on the email address I used], let's try this, you're an educated moron. Got it? Lay off the conspiracy crack pipe dude. So when from the time she was charged with these "egregious" "trumped up" air crimes was it to the time she was brought before a judge? 3 months? tyranny works on your mind not mine. Take your meds and watch dancing with the stars. Don't insult my intelligence. Nice blog! I look up to controllers like you! lol

Of course, anyone who actually read the post on which Mr. Begy commented would see that I cited, and attached, multiple documents from Ms. Freeman's federal criminal prosecution illustrating that she was not held incommunicado under the PATRIOT Act in defiance of the Great Writ, but routinely prosecuted under pre-existing federal statutes, made multiple and timely court appearances, and only spent time in custody because nobody in her family would bail her out. Again, the entire point of the post was to document that the PATRIOT Act had nothing to do with the prosecution.

That level of reading comprehension seems to elude Mr. Begy. As far as I can tell, he read one or two paragraphs of the post at random and then emoted.

There are several possibilities. One possibility is that Mr. Begy really is exactly this thick. Another is that Mr. Begy is engaging in the fine internet tradition of trolling, but using the email address he uses in his capacity of Membership Chair of the San Diego Libertarian party. That possibility is sort of a riff on the first one.

Libertarian ideas are important and worth exploring seriously. That's why we've blogged about post-9/11 idiocies and abuses by the TSA, police misconduct, the encroaching Nanny State, and the excesses of the War on Drugs.

If you care about these issues, you should examine them carefully and draw your own conclusions. When you follow a party, or a party's platform, you are letting people like Dave Begy decide issues for you.

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  1. Andrew  •  Apr 9, 2010 @7:34 am

    Look on the bright side — by the end of the exchange, he'd figured out how to properly use your/you're.

    I call that progress.

  2. Little Raven  •  Apr 9, 2010 @7:51 am

    Interesting. According to Jonathan Chait Libertarians are doomed for another reason….there simply aren't very many of them, and fewer of them every day.
    Practically speaking, the libertarian vote is non-existent, while the opposite viewpoint — economically liberal and socially conservative, which some call populist — is quite large. This fact tends to get lost in the political discussion because the political discussion is run by elites who are far closer to libertarianism than the public as a whole.
    On the plus side, maybe that means I can be counted among the elite. Yay me!

  3. Ezra  •  Apr 9, 2010 @8:59 am

    I love the term statist. I think I want it on my business card.

  4. Patrick  •  Apr 9, 2010 @9:19 am

    Two thoughts, one minor and one major:

    1) Chait's a dishonest hack. Citing him doesn't help any argument.

    2) That out of the way, what his analysis misses is that American politics aren't just three dimensional, but four dimensional. In his attempt to conflate "elites" with a marginal point on the third line, Chait misses the fourth dimension entirely.

  5. Patrick  •  Apr 9, 2010 @9:22 am

    As for the main point of Ken's post, you forgot to mention blue people.

    The only Libertarian politician I can really get behind is Mike Munger, and that's probably because he isn't a politician. But he is on our blogroll.

  6. Ken  •  Apr 9, 2010 @9:28 am

    I've always suspected there are so few non-crazy libertarian politicians because the libertarian ethos is fundamentally incompatible with wanting to govern.

  7. Brian Dunbar  •  Apr 9, 2010 @9:38 am

    t’s because the Libertarian Party and other bastions of libertarian officialdom (as opposed to individual libertarians) seem doomed to attract cranks and crazies, much to the detriment of libertarian ideas.

    You could search and replace Libertarian with Republican and Democrat and it would still be valid.

  8. Ezra  •  Apr 9, 2010 @9:45 am

    I look forward to Michael Steele commenting on some posts to "drop some knowledge, yo."

  9. Patrick  •  Apr 9, 2010 @10:06 am

    I love that the office manager of the San Diego Libertarian Party is "Richard Ryder, a.k.a. NOVA."

    I need to change my name, or at least my blogging handle, to add an a.k.a. Hmmm, Patrick _____, a.k.a. STARBLAZE!

    Or maybe WILDFIRE!

  10. Ken  •  Apr 9, 2010 @10:08 am

    WOLVERINE!

  11. Chris  •  Apr 9, 2010 @10:29 am

    How sad is it that I read Patrick's post and immediately identified the Nova in question.

  12. Chris  •  Apr 9, 2010 @10:30 am

    and my link doesn't work. bah. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nova_(comics)

  13. CTrees  •  Apr 9, 2010 @10:32 am

    "I’ve always suspected there are so few non-crazy libertarian politicians because the libertarian ethos is fundamentally incompatible with wanting to govern."

    I've never thought about it like that, but I love that hypothesis, and I'm totally using it where appropriate now.

    Also, I'm going with Dmitri _____, a.k.a. RAPTOR! (it was my nickname in high school…)

  14. Patrick  •  Apr 9, 2010 @11:21 am

    Oh, and:

    I’ve always suspected there are so few non-crazy libertarian politicians because the libertarian ethos is fundamentally incompatible with wanting to govern.

    Oddly, I tend to vote Libertarian (not a party member), precisely because I think there's something fundamentally crazy, pathological at times, in people who do want to govern. I hate Democrats and Republicans precisely because they want to govern me.

    I know I'm throwing away my vote by voting for the crazies, but the alternatives are apathy and bomb-throwing.

  15. Rliyen  •  Apr 9, 2010 @11:46 am

    Oddly, I tend to vote Libertarian (not a party member), precisely because I think there’s something fundamentally crazy, pathological at times, in people who do want to govern. I hate Democrats and Republicans precisely because they want to govern me.

    I know I’m throwing away my vote by voting for the crazies, but the alternatives are apathy and bomb-throwing.

    I just did it this past 2008 election. I voted for neither and felt great about it. It really tears some people down when I criticize Obama and say I didn't vote for him, their next natural thought is I voted for the other guy. To which I reply, "Wrong again, thank you for playing."

  16. mojo  •  Apr 9, 2010 @1:26 pm

    Organizing libertarians is like herding cats. Usually, all you end up with are the stupid/crazy/lazy ones.

    I've avoided the Libertarian party for years for precisely the same reasons, Ken.

  17. CTrees  •  Apr 9, 2010 @1:41 pm

    Being perfectly honest? There's a lot of libertarian ideas I'm wholeheartedly for, even if their candidates, like Bob "Scared of Witches" Barr tend to ignore some of the more, well, non-Republican ones. However, none of the self-professed libertarians I've talked to have any good answers when it comes to practical questions, like dealing with negative externalities and the conditions leading to catastrophes like the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory Fire. I've yet to see a solution to some of the real world issues besides government regulation/oversight, which would seem to compromise the libertarian ideals. Maybe it's out there? I don't know, but when the best answer appears to be stepping back from what is claimed to be ideal… that's an ideology with some problems, in my eyes.

  18. Libertarian2010  •  Apr 9, 2010 @7:32 pm

    While I agree that there are crazies within the Libertarian Party, I think everyone would agree that there are crazies in the Republican and Democratic parties as well. One thing I would like to point out is that while the Libertarian Party has a 'Party Platform', they also strongly uphold the right of the individual to make their own decisions. This holds true for elected officials of the Libertarian Party as well. Everyone has a right to their opinion, and should have the right of expressing that opinion, no matter how far fetched it may be. I personally think that the 'Truthers' and 'Birthers' are giving the government way too much credit about what they are capable of, but they have the right to say their piece. I am proudly a big "L" Libertarian because I not only believe that government has grown out of control and needs to be put in check, but I also believe that individuals should have the right to marry who they want, smoke what they want, and live how they want, as long as it doesn't interfere with the rights of others. I would hope that everyone will realize that every organization has a fringe side to it; the people in the group that have extreme ideas are often the loudest. But there are those of us in the Libertarian Party that have regular jobs, and families, and are simply trying to make a difference, for the good of our families, and leave this place in better shape than we got it in.

  19. Mary Stack  •  Apr 9, 2010 @7:35 pm

    Brian, "You could search and replace Libertarian with Republican and Democrat and it would still be valid." So true, and first-class to see a fair statement. Love what your wife did with your windshield.

    Popehat, I don't think it serves a purpose to criticize Mr. Begy on anything other than his argument. I always find personal criticism to be the mark of a lazy rebuttal.

  20. Marie  •  Apr 10, 2010 @12:18 am

    Does 'amusement' qualify as a purpose to be served?

  21. Grandy  •  Apr 10, 2010 @6:58 am

    Amusement does. As does shaming, which this bozo deserved.

    Also, this isn't about who started it. Rather, it's more of a "never bring a knife to a gun fight" cautionary tale.

  22. Mary Stack  •  Apr 10, 2010 @7:25 am

    Marie and Grandy, I am not against a clever defense and I prefer an amusing retort over humiliation. In this case, Popehat is the one who brought the gun to the snowball fight.

  23. CTrees  •  Apr 10, 2010 @9:37 am

    Mary: So you're saying Popehat is taking a page from the D.C. police playbook? http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/2009/12/19/did-d-c-cops-overreact-to-snowball-fight-14th-and-u/

  24. Mary Stack  •  Apr 10, 2010 @10:35 am

    CTrees, of course not. Pohehat over-reacted with his response and I found Grandy's use of knife axiom fight to be the incorrect (references a planned battle). I really should have used a flies to honey/kill them with kindness idioms to express my feelings about dealing with Mr. Begy. Yes, I read the article about the D.C. officer and had some sympathy with the man. I would not want my property vandalized and would have either ignore or confronted them but it a non-aggressive manner. My impression was that they were kids and the officer could have schooled them without coming off as an asshole. Ultimately, the kids came away with their negative view of police reinforced and Mr. Begy came way just as uninformed as he was before his 'snow fight'.

  25. Patrick  •  Apr 10, 2010 @2:02 pm

    There's a lotta things about me you don't know anything about, Mary. Things you wouldn't understand. Things you couldn't understand. Things you shouldn't understand.

    You don't wanna get mixed up with guys like us. We're loners, Mary. Rebels. Don't get mixed up with us.

  26. Mary Stack  •  Apr 10, 2010 @3:10 pm

    Amusing Patrick, but I think I can handle libertarians and the Big Adventure.

  27. Base of the Pillar  •  Apr 10, 2010 @7:14 pm

    Don't be humorless, Mary. No one trusts someone who can't laugh. Because sociopaths don't laugh.

    Ctrees, I think you're finding particularly weak minded "l-ibertarians". Externalities can often be roughly, crudely implemented with reasonable forethought. Cap & Trade is a great example of creating a marketplace that "internalizes" pollution. Furthermore, outright banning of some waste streams can easily fit within a "l"ibertarian construct: your pollution infringes on my rights. Whether that's mercury getting dumped upstream of me, or sulphuric dioxide being blown into the air upwind of me, they are infringements of my personal property rights. It's not precise, but it's not a different process than one proposed by the Two Parties. It just requires different justification (i.e. that the cost of an externality exists).

    Where Big L's lose me is when there is absolutely no belief in communal property and rights. The idea of an individual having to pay for a cop because his house was broken into or someone paying the fire station for the water they use to put out their fire strikes me as antithetical to more basic beliefs than libertarianism. But maybe I just flipped past the pertinent portions of Galt's radio ramblings.

  28. Mary Stack  •  Apr 11, 2010 @8:49 am

    "Don’t be humorless, Mary. No one trusts someone who can’t laugh. Because sociopaths don’t laugh." I was so hoping that was another movie quote. Base of the Pillar, I bow to your expertise on sociopaths because I do not know any.;-)

  29. Marc J. Randazza  •  Apr 11, 2010 @1:42 pm

    "aol.com" = the Florida license plates of the information superhighway.

  30. jb  •  Apr 12, 2010 @2:26 pm

    As a moderate libertarian, I am in favor of some government regulation. In case of market failure (food and drug labeling, say), or cases where market failure would be inevitable (fire departments and police), government is needed. The boundaries of those areas are open to debate–what makes me a libertarian is that I question those boundaries, instead of whining "there oughtta be a law" every time something bad happens as a result of people using their freedom (and often their freedom to be ignorant).

    What makes me a moderate libertarian is that I recognize that there are substantial policy areas on the "needs goverment" side of the line too.

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