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	<title>Comments on: &#039;Tis the Season To Compile Dossiers of Politically Incorrect Statements</title>
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		<title>By: jacques</title>
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		<dc:creator>jacques</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Nov 2010 04:01:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to &quot;Transplanted Lawyer&quot; in his statement that &quot;Happy Holidays&quot; is more meaningful, for me it is quite the opposite.  &quot;Happy holidays&quot; is simply neither here nor there.  There are holidays of many kinds all year long--some think of Groundhog Day as a holiday, and there are skiing holidays, golf holidays, trips to the lake and seaside in the summer, etc. etc.  Saying the word &quot;Christmas&quot; does not mean you are promoting or endorsing Christianity as the only religion (I&#039;m an atheist myself).  One can have and participate in the Christmas spirit without participating in Christian religious rituals.  Time was when there was less tribalism and mean-spiritedness in our society.  Is it too much to ask that we relinquish such pettiness for just a few days a year?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to "Transplanted Lawyer" in his statement that "Happy Holidays" is more meaningful, for me it is quite the opposite.  "Happy holidays" is simply neither here nor there.  There are holidays of many kinds all year long&#8211;some think of Groundhog Day as a holiday, and there are skiing holidays, golf holidays, trips to the lake and seaside in the summer, etc. etc.  Saying the word "Christmas" does not mean you are promoting or endorsing Christianity as the only religion (I'm an atheist myself).  One can have and participate in the Christmas spirit without participating in Christian religious rituals.  Time was when there was less tribalism and mean-spiritedness in our society.  Is it too much to ask that we relinquish such pettiness for just a few days a year?</p>
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		<title>By: Dawn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 20:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a bunch of idiotic fools. Such hate...especially the ones who were so shocked about Gap&#039;s reference to solstice. I guess they are just butt hurt that they can&#039;t burn wiccans at the stake anymore. I can&#039;t stand Christians...they stand for bigotry, hate, and intolerance. I have no problem with Christ...I just can&#039;t stand Christians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a bunch of idiotic fools. Such hate&#8230;especially the ones who were so shocked about Gap's reference to solstice. I guess they are just butt hurt that they can't burn wiccans at the stake anymore. I can't stand Christians&#8230;they stand for bigotry, hate, and intolerance. I have no problem with Christ&#8230;I just can't stand Christians.</p>
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		<title>By: Christian Beyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christian Beyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 23:09:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post. I always wonder why these folks (and I happen to hesitantly call myself a Christian, btw) are so fired up about putting &quot;Christ&quot; back into Christmas yet are quite happy with leaving Oestre in Easter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post. I always wonder why these folks (and I happen to hesitantly call myself a Christian, btw) are so fired up about putting "Christ" back into Christmas yet are quite happy with leaving Oestre in Easter.</p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 20:45:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about being wished &quot;Happy Holidays&quot; when buying a ham the day before Easter?  This made me giggle.  I think at the Honey Baked Ham Store they could go out on a limb and say Happy Easter.  &quot;Happy Holidays&quot; is incredibly bland, but it does not bother me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about being wished "Happy Holidays" when buying a ham the day before Easter?  This made me giggle.  I think at the Honey Baked Ham Store they could go out on a limb and say Happy Easter.  "Happy Holidays" is incredibly bland, but it does not bother me.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave (ND)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave (ND)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 15:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ken, we&#039;ve butted heads on this in the past, but I agree with your entire post.  Nice work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken, we've butted heads on this in the past, but I agree with your entire post.  Nice work.</p>
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		<title>By: eddie</title>
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		<dc:creator>eddie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 23:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Dave Barry once said:

&lt;blockquote&gt;In the old days, it was not called the Holiday Season; the Christians called it &quot;Christmas&quot; and went to church; the Jews called it &quot;Hanukka&quot; and went to synagogue; the atheists went to parties and drank. People passing each other on the street would say &quot;Merry Christmas!&quot; or &quot;Happy Hanukka!&quot; or (to the atheists) &quot;Look out for the wall!&quot;

These days, people say &quot;Season&#039;s Greetings,&quot; which, when you think about it, means nothing. It&#039;s like walking up to somebody and saying &quot;Appropriate Remark&quot; in a loud, cheerful voice. But &quot;Season&#039;s Greetings&quot; is safer, because it does not refer to any actual religion. Some day, I imagine, even &quot;Season&#039;s Greetings&quot; will be considered too religious, and we&#039;ll celebrate the Holiday Season by saying &quot;Have a nice day.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Appropriate Remark, everyone, and to all a good night.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Dave Barry once said:</p>
<blockquote><p>In the old days, it was not called the Holiday Season; the Christians called it "Christmas" and went to church; the Jews called it "Hanukka" and went to synagogue; the atheists went to parties and drank. People passing each other on the street would say "Merry Christmas!" or "Happy Hanukka!" or (to the atheists) "Look out for the wall!"</p>
<p>These days, people say "Season's Greetings," which, when you think about it, means nothing. It's like walking up to somebody and saying "Appropriate Remark" in a loud, cheerful voice. But "Season's Greetings" is safer, because it does not refer to any actual religion. Some day, I imagine, even "Season's Greetings" will be considered too religious, and we'll celebrate the Holiday Season by saying "Have a nice day."</p></blockquote>
<p>Appropriate Remark, everyone, and to all a good night.</p>
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		<title>By: DMS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DMS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 22:51:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post, and 12.08 comment Patrick is spot on; fight the fights you can win.  Commercial Christmas is here to stay (aside from advent of GFC2, or worse GFC^2, but I actually don&#039;t think even that would do it).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post, and 12.08 comment Patrick is spot on; fight the fights you can win.  Commercial Christmas is here to stay (aside from advent of GFC2, or worse GFC^2, but I actually don't think even that would do it).</p>
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		<title>By: Secular Right &#187; Miscellany, December 2</title>
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		<dc:creator>Secular Right &#187; Miscellany, December 2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 19:21:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8220;War on Christmas&#8221; grievance-collectors really should lighten up [Ken at Popehat] [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 19:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As long as the government&#039;s not involved, I don&#039;t care one way or the other.  I take &quot;Merry Christmas&quot; as well as I take &quot;Joyous Kwanzaa&quot; or &quot;Happy Hannukah&quot; or &quot;Enjoy Eid!&quot;

Speaking as an agnostic, what offends me about the holiday season is its commercial nature, but that battle was lost before I was born.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As long as the government's not involved, I don't care one way or the other.  I take "Merry Christmas" as well as I take "Joyous Kwanzaa" or "Happy Hannukah" or "Enjoy Eid!"</p>
<p>Speaking as an agnostic, what offends me about the holiday season is its commercial nature, but that battle was lost before I was born.</p>
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		<title>By: PatrickKelley</title>
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		<dc:creator>PatrickKelley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just don&#039;t get the outrage. Look, it boils down to a really simple formula. A large group of Christians want stores to acknowledge the Christmas holidays the way they have traditionally done so for centuries. They want to hear Merry Christmas, they want to hear Christmas carols, both secular and religious, they want to see Christmas trees, they want to see Santa Clause, elves, and reindeer in some cases, and yes, they want to see the baby Jesus. 

The simple formula? Give them what they want and keep their business. Don&#039;t give them what they want, and maybe lose their business. It&#039;s just that simple. Nobody that I know of is talking about suing retailers for not wishing customers a Merry Christmas, or passing a law mandating they do so. Yeah, some of these people might be knuckle-draggers, but even they are not that damned stupid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just don't get the outrage. Look, it boils down to a really simple formula. A large group of Christians want stores to acknowledge the Christmas holidays the way they have traditionally done so for centuries. They want to hear Merry Christmas, they want to hear Christmas carols, both secular and religious, they want to see Christmas trees, they want to see Santa Clause, elves, and reindeer in some cases, and yes, they want to see the baby Jesus. </p>
<p>The simple formula? Give them what they want and keep their business. Don't give them what they want, and maybe lose their business. It's just that simple. Nobody that I know of is talking about suing retailers for not wishing customers a Merry Christmas, or passing a law mandating they do so. Yeah, some of these people might be knuckle-draggers, but even they are not that damned stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:47:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apropos this discussion.  Yes, the PC crowd will complain about anything:
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1004044225

Cartoon here:
http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2009/11/19/mallard-fillmore-protested-at-newsday/

No doubt Newsday had no fear of being sued (at least under a viable theory).  They did want to avoid the drama.  Same thing with using &quot;Happy Holidays&quot; instead of &quot;Merry Christmas.&quot;  

Newsday apologized to avoid more drama.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apropos this discussion.  Yes, the PC crowd will complain about anything:<br />
<a href="http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1004044225" rel="nofollow">http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1004044225</a></p>
<p>Cartoon here:<br />
<a href="http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2009/11/19/mallard-fillmore-protested-at-newsday/" rel="nofollow">http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2009/11/19/mallard-fillmore-protested-at-newsday/</a></p>
<p>No doubt Newsday had no fear of being sued (at least under a viable theory).  They did want to avoid the drama.  Same thing with using "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas."  </p>
<p>Newsday apologized to avoid more drama.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Short answer: Because all customers don&#039;t celebrate Christmas and because the vast majority will celebrate &lt;i&gt;some&lt;/i&gt; holiday, &quot;Happy Holidays&quot; is the more logical thing to say &lt;i&gt;because&lt;/i&gt; it is so generic. 

It takes a deeply developed sense of entitlement to get offended at the idea that the store is unwilling to risk offending someone else in order to make your day as good as it can possibly be.

I loved this post, Ken.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Short answer: Because all customers don't celebrate Christmas and because the vast majority will celebrate <i>some</i> holiday, "Happy Holidays" is the more logical thing to say <i>because</i> it is so generic. </p>
<p>It takes a deeply developed sense of entitlement to get offended at the idea that the store is unwilling to risk offending someone else in order to make your day as good as it can possibly be.</p>
<p>I loved this post, Ken.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt; But unless I am missing an entire area of the law, I don’t think anyone is forcing retailers to say “Happy Holidays.”&lt;/i&gt;

It&#039;s not lawsuits they fear.  It&#039;s drama.  Even stupid drama is a distraction.  Even drama that doesn&#039;t directly affect the bottom line like a boycott would, is bad for business.  It distracts employees.  It distracts customers from purchasing things that they don&#039;t need and probably can&#039;t afford, in order to show their love to people - since love cannot exist absent concrete expressions like toys and sweater vests.  The corporate directive is: Must avoid drama.

PC freaks are nothing if not dramatic.  Next time you&#039;re at the 3rd Street Promenade, stop in at Houston&#039;s.  No, Houston&#039;s wasn&#039;t going to be sued for calling a salad, &quot;Evil Jungle Salad.&quot; They were going to deal with a bunch of drama.  Thus, they dropped the name.

The Merry Christmas lunatics want to get their way by causing drama.  Yes, you are right to mock them.  They are ridiculous and probably incredibly miserable people who lack any meaningful relationship with God.  Care about Christmas?  Go volunteer at an animal shelter; feed the homeless; stop spending money on material possessions and instead write a check to organizations that feed the poor.

LMAO at the nonsense!  A bunch of (self-professed) Christians are upset that commercial enterprises won&#039;t validate them.  Why are they even buying material objects that they don&#039;t need when people are hungry, and children are being sold into sex slavery?  I&#039;m a pagan, but willing to bet I&#039;ll write more checks to charity than the Christians (in name only) who are butt hurt over a corporation&#039;s lack of interest in their needs.

Faux controversies like this are a reminder that modern Christians are indeed a joke, and have no comprehension of Christianity.  &quot;Dear Jesus, make the corporations be nice to me so I can spend money on material objects.  Amen.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> But unless I am missing an entire area of the law, I don’t think anyone is forcing retailers to say “Happy Holidays.”</i></p>
<p>It's not lawsuits they fear.  It's drama.  Even stupid drama is a distraction.  Even drama that doesn't directly affect the bottom line like a boycott would, is bad for business.  It distracts employees.  It distracts customers from purchasing things that they don't need and probably can't afford, in order to show their love to people &#8211; since love cannot exist absent concrete expressions like toys and sweater vests.  The corporate directive is: Must avoid drama.</p>
<p>PC freaks are nothing if not dramatic.  Next time you're at the 3rd Street Promenade, stop in at Houston's.  No, Houston's wasn't going to be sued for calling a salad, "Evil Jungle Salad." They were going to deal with a bunch of drama.  Thus, they dropped the name.</p>
<p>The Merry Christmas lunatics want to get their way by causing drama.  Yes, you are right to mock them.  They are ridiculous and probably incredibly miserable people who lack any meaningful relationship with God.  Care about Christmas?  Go volunteer at an animal shelter; feed the homeless; stop spending money on material possessions and instead write a check to organizations that feed the poor.</p>
<p>LMAO at the nonsense!  A bunch of (self-professed) Christians are upset that commercial enterprises won't validate them.  Why are they even buying material objects that they don't need when people are hungry, and children are being sold into sex slavery?  I'm a pagan, but willing to bet I'll write more checks to charity than the Christians (in name only) who are butt hurt over a corporation's lack of interest in their needs.</p>
<p>Faux controversies like this are a reminder that modern Christians are indeed a joke, and have no comprehension of Christianity.  "Dear Jesus, make the corporations be nice to me so I can spend money on material objects.  Amen."</p>
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		<title>By: Linus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:49:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Anyhow, saying, “Happy Holidays” is NOT designed to be inclusive or tolerant. It’s designed to prevent Christians (whatever that term means these days) from wishing people Merry Christmas. “Happy Holidays” exists because a minority of people will throw a temper tantrum if stores don’t comply. It’s therefore unsurprising that some out of the four out of five who are being marginalized might throw a fit.&lt;/blockquote&gt; This is like people who think that any mention, hint, or reference to a monkey is RACIST, or that a cigar is NEVER just a cigar. Look, just because some asshole somewhere has used that phrase intending to be intolerant does automatically make EVERY use of it intolerant and anti-religion. But then again, I don&#039;t believe in this meta-guilt thing, where I personally am responsible for everyone&#039;s intentions everywhere.

Isn&#039;t it exhausting for these people to continually borrow trouble? I try to go through my day with as little conflict as possible (I know, I know, I&#039;m in the wrong profession), so I cannot understand why someone would live with the attitude of &quot;if it&#039;s even remotely possible to take offense, I WILL.&quot;

Of course, those people (like the guy who was angered and felt oppressed by &quot;you too&quot;) are likely complainers and serial offendees in EVERY area of life, not just religion/culture/Christmas.  In fact, there&#039;s a word for those kinds of people that starts with &quot;ass&quot; and ends with &quot;hat&quot;. Although I am a bit tempted to act like this just once to see the reaction I get: &quot;Excuse me, your clerk only said &#039;God bless you&#039; to me. He did NOT say &#039;God bless and KEEP you.&#039; What kind of oppressive establishment are you running here?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Anyhow, saying, “Happy Holidays” is NOT designed to be inclusive or tolerant. It’s designed to prevent Christians (whatever that term means these days) from wishing people Merry Christmas. “Happy Holidays” exists because a minority of people will throw a temper tantrum if stores don’t comply. It’s therefore unsurprising that some out of the four out of five who are being marginalized might throw a fit.</p></blockquote>
<p> This is like people who think that any mention, hint, or reference to a monkey is RACIST, or that a cigar is NEVER just a cigar. Look, just because some asshole somewhere has used that phrase intending to be intolerant does automatically make EVERY use of it intolerant and anti-religion. But then again, I don't believe in this meta-guilt thing, where I personally am responsible for everyone's intentions everywhere.</p>
<p>Isn't it exhausting for these people to continually borrow trouble? I try to go through my day with as little conflict as possible (I know, I know, I'm in the wrong profession), so I cannot understand why someone would live with the attitude of "if it's even remotely possible to take offense, I WILL."</p>
<p>Of course, those people (like the guy who was angered and felt oppressed by "you too") are likely complainers and serial offendees in EVERY area of life, not just religion/culture/Christmas.  In fact, there's a word for those kinds of people that starts with "ass" and ends with "hat". Although I am a bit tempted to act like this just once to see the reaction I get: "Excuse me, your clerk only said 'God bless you' to me. He did NOT say 'God bless and KEEP you.' What kind of oppressive establishment are you running here?"</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:16:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t get me started on Nativity scenes.  They are &lt;i&gt;not supposed to be static.&lt;/i&gt;  Nativity scenes began as Nativity &lt;i&gt;plays,&lt;/&gt; the purpose of which was to teach the Christmas story.  Having a Nativity &lt;i&gt;scene&lt;/i&gt; in which everyone is crammed in there at once is like having a Star Wars diorama that has Darth Vader and Jabba the Hutt in the same scene.  It&#039;s just &lt;i&gt;wrong&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don't get me started on Nativity scenes.  They are <i>not supposed to be static.</i>  Nativity scenes began as Nativity <i>plays, the purpose of which was to teach the Christmas story.  Having a Nativity </i><i>scene</i> in which everyone is crammed in there at once is like having a Star Wars diorama that has Darth Vader and Jabba the Hutt in the same scene.  It's just <i>wrong</i>.</p>
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