Cry Havoc, And Let Slip The Rape Apologists

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Roman Polanski is a child-rapist with numerous vile attributes. But one of the most vile things about him is not, strictly speaking, his fault.

It is not Roman Polanski’s fault that his apologists and fawning fans, here and abroad, are moral cretins. It is not, strictly speaking, his fault that he draws rape apologists and minimizers like a pile of shit draws flies.

Roman Polanski is in the news again because the Swiss arrested him on an American extradition warrant after he arrived for a film event. There are cries of horror, despair, and outrage from the usual suspects.

Who are those usual suspects? Here’s a representative sample. We have the French, who have made him a a symbol of “sexual liberation.” [This is only one reason to think very carefully before taking your children to France.] We have Patrick Goldstein of the Los Angeles Times, who feels that California lacks the money to prosecute 30-year-old rape cases and that Polanski is a Jean Valjean figure hounded by anti-rape Javerts (and that’s his metaphor, not mine). We have Joan Z. Shore at the Huffington Post, who in the course of a grotesquely lighthearted jab at the Swiss for arresting Polanski, grunts out this moral excresence:

But there is more to this story. The 13-year old model “seduced” by Polanski had been thrust onto him by her mother, who wanted her in the movies. The girl was just a few weeks short of her 14th birthday, which was the age of consent in California. (It’s probably 13 by now!) Polanski was demonized by the press, convicted, and managed to flee, fearing a heavy sentence.

I met Polanski shortly after he fled America and was filming Tess in Normandy. I was working in the CBS News bureau in Paris, and I accompanied Mike Wallace for a Sixty Minutes interview with Polanski on the set. Mike thought he would be meeting the devil incarnate, but was utterly charmed by Roman’s sobriety and intelligence.

The Huffington Post is your go-to internet source for columnists who swoon over child rapists.

And make no mistake: Polanski is a rapist. Even if you only accept the version of events he pled guilty to, he plied a 13-year-old girl with alcohol and quaaludes and then had oral, vaginal, and anal sex with her. But that’s only part of it. Polanski’s fans studiously ignore her grand jury testimony, which is horrifying and heartbreaking:

Q: What happened after that?

A: He started to have intercourse with me.

Q: What do you mean by intercourse?

A: He put his penis in my vagina.

Q: What did you say, if anything, before he did that?

A: I was mostly just on and off saying “no, stop.” But I wasn’t fighting really because I, you know, there was no one else there and I had no place to go.

Now, not every witness before the grand jury is telling us the truth. As the Hofstra incident recently told us, rape accusers sometimes lie. But curiously, Polanski’s fans very much want us to listen to the victim and take her at her word — now that she is saying that she doesn’t want him prosecuted any more. Curiously, they never seem to cite the recent interviews in which she confirms that it was not just statutory rape — that she said no and Polanski did it anyway. Just as Polanski’s supporters think you should draw the curtain on the part of his life when he was raping 13-year-olds, they think that you should draw the curtain on the part of the victim’s story in which she describes what really happened. That part, they would have you believe, is irrelevant to evaluating the Great Man.

Let me be blunt. Polanski is a child rapist. But these apologists, too, are sick freaks. Given their moral sensibilities, I would no more let Patrick Goldstein or Joan Z. Shore be alone with my kids than I would Polanski. Among the sick or stupid ideas such people are willing to promote to defend Polanski are the following:

1. That it is morally acceptable to gloat over the fact that a rape victim does not want the perpetrator tried, even when she specifically says it is because she can’t bear for her family to be dragged through the mud.
2. That the victim’s mother fed her to Polanski to promote her career — as if this is a morally significant mitigating factor, as if it in any way excuses the conduct.
3. That the victim — who, in her grand jury testimony, referred to the act performing cunnilingus as “performing cuddliness” — was a sophisticated seductress.
4. That it is irrational or vengeful to pursue a child-rapist for 32 years, because moral responsibility for rape has a shelf-life.
5. That it is irrational or vengeful to fail to forgive a child-rapist, and excuse him from legal consequences, when he previously experienced great hardship.
6. That living a life of luxury in France is a great hardship. (For people with normal moral sensibilities, to whom rape is not properly classified as “sexual liberation,” I grant you it might be.)
7. That Great Men of letters exist on a different plane, and that right-thinking people overlook their peccadilloes.
8. That opposition to drugging and having sex with 13-year-olds — let alone raping them — is a sign of Puritanism.
9. That the Fugitive Disentitlement Doctrine, which generally prevents fugitives from litigating their cases in the forum they fled, is somehow unfair.
10. That a trial judge is bound by the deal a defendant cuts with the prosecution.

Now, it’s entirely possible that Polanski’s now-dead trial judge was a media-whore weasel and that a new judge should grant some sort of relief as a result of judicial or prosecutorial misconduct. Nothing — other than his unwillingness to expose himself to the possibility of further punishment — prevents Polanski from pursuing that argument here in Los Angeles. Nor does that argument have anything to do with the moral dimensions of apologizing for and minimizing rape. (I should also note that in every guilty plea I have ever seen taken, the judge has correctly warned the defendant of the law: “You’ve got an agreement with the government. It’s not an agreement with me. If I reject it, there’s not jack shit you can do about it.”)

Fortunately, not everyone is marching in Polanski’s parade. As I wrote before, Bill Wyman has already demolished director Marina Zenovich’s Polanski propaganda piece “Roman Polanski: Wanted and Desired.” Today, Kate Harding at Salon steps up to the plate and kicks the shit out of some Polanski fans. More of this, please. Let’s not let the drumbeat of poor-Polanski prevaricators go unrebutted.

Edited to add: Patterico has a good takedown of the noisome LA Times piece.

Edit No. 2: Patterico is on fire on this issue. Here he links to a new Smoking Gun post containing a transcript of Polanski’s plea, and correctly notes that Polanski admitted under oath that he knew the victim was 13 at the time of the incident. I note that the transcript also reflects that Polanski was specifically warned several times, and acknowledged, that the sentence was up to the judge and that the judge might reject the deal between Polanski and the DA.

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  1. Chris Berez  •  Sep 28, 2009 @4:50 pm

    3. That the victim — who, in her grand jury testimony, referred to the act performing cunnilingus as “performing cuddliness” — was a sophisticated seductress.

    And even if she actually had been, somehow, the seducer– how does that make this argument any less offensive? What is this, the Humbert Humbert excuse?

    It takes a lot these days to stun me when it comes to stupidity and moral bankruptcy these days. But I’ve spent the entire day hearing liberals fall all over themselves to defend this asshole.

    But much like cops, Hollywood protects and defends it’s own. I wonder how many of Polanski’s apologists would expell the same amount of energy in defense of Victor Salva, another hollywood child rapist, were they to know that man’s past?

  2. I D E  •  Sep 28, 2009 @6:54 pm

    Thanks for summing up all my feeling so sucinctly Ken. This was spot on.

    How do people justify this guy? Like this from CNN’s website:
    –Filmmakers have reacted with outrage at the arrest.

    “As a Swiss filmmaker, I feel deeply ashamed,” Christian Frei said.

    “He’s a brilliant guy, and he made a little mistake 32 years ago. What a shame for Switzerland,” said photographer Otto Weisser, a friend of Polanski.–

    and this (of course , it is the French):
    –Earlier on Monday, French authorities expressed solidarity with Roman Polanski’s family and outrage over the arrest.

    French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner said he hoped authorities would respect Polanski’s rights “and that the affair (will) come to a favorable resolution,” the Foreign Ministry said in a statement.

    The French culture and communications minister, Frederic Mitterrand, said he “learned with astonishment” of Polanski’s arrest. He expressed solidarity with Polanski’s family and said “he wants to remind everyone that Roman Polanski benefits from great general esteem” and has “exceptional artistic creation and human qualities.”–

    Apparently its OK to drug and rape 13 yr olds in France if your well liked. Maybe they think pedophilia is a “exceptional … human quality….”

  3. Scott Jacobs  •  Sep 28, 2009 @11:55 pm

    “I should also note that in every guilty plea I have ever seen taken, the judge has correctly warned the defendant of the law: “You’ve got an agreement with the government. It’s not an agreement with me. If I reject it, there’s not jack shit you can do about it.””

    As an aside, I would pay money to actually hear a judge use those exact words, even if they are directed at me.

    Back on topic…

    There is nothing about this that doesn’t disgust me, aside from the fact that he’s soon to come back to the US to face justice.

    Also, anyone trying to get Polanski off the hook should be beaten savagely the next time they utter the phrase “for the children” or any words to that effect.

  4. Mhoram  •  Sep 29, 2009 @7:05 am

    Chris @ 4:50

    Where do you get the idea that liberals approve of child rape? I am a criminal defense attorney, card-carrying member of the ACLU and I don’t think President Obama is nearly liberal enough. I also think Roman Polanski is a despicable and sorry excuse for a human being. The fact that he is a brilliant director is irrelevant – I can enjoy his movies while still thinking he should spend the rest of his miserable life is a California prison.

    Not everthing is divided politically. I get tired of moonbats and wingnuts who indiscriminately describe anything they don’t like or that they disagree with as a fundamental doctrine of the opposing side.

    Polanski has gotten away with his crime for decades. To the best of my knowledge he has never denied his actions – he merely hides from the consequences.

    FWIW, my trial partner is an uber-conservative film buff. He thinks Polanski got a bum deal and should be let go

  5. Scott Jacobs  •  Sep 29, 2009 @7:44 am

    “Where do you get the idea that liberals approve of child rape?”

    Probably from the fact that not only have we not seen any conservatives squawking about how we shouldn’t be judging Polanski, but we also aren’t hearing much from equally loud liberals condemning not only Polanski but his apologists as well.

  6. Aashish  •  Sep 29, 2009 @8:21 am

    Thanks for posting, I liked this one enough to actually post a comment! All the Polanski apologists have really been getting under my skin lately.

  7. Mark Thompson  •  Sep 29, 2009 @9:38 am

    @ScottJacobs: To be perfectly fair, there have been a good number of liberals who have been pretty passionate against Polanski on this. Atrios used the phrase “what is wrong with this people?,” which Brad DeLong seconded quite quickly. Every feminist I’ve seen on this, including the normally insufferable Amanda Marcotte, has been as or more passionate about this as most conservatives. And Eugene Robinson didn’t hold much back today, either.

    True, the only people publicly defending Polanski seem to be liberals, but they also seem to be mostly confined to the types of liberals who you would expect to defend Polanski: Hollywood and Washington media elites with pretty profound conflicts of interest.

  8. Maryanna  •  Sep 29, 2009 @9:40 am

    Of course it is a political issue. All liberals/democrats are in favor of molesting children. All conservatives/republicans are opposed. No republican would ever do or support such a thing, as that is squarely within the province of the evil liberals.

    No republican would ever do that

  9. Ken  •  Sep 29, 2009 @9:41 am

    I think that’s right, Mark. Though I haven’t seen mainline conservative voices supporting him (though some good bloggers who I would describe as libertarian have argued that we have to respect the rule of law here, which is completely true and fair), the liberals who have rushed to his defense seem mostly to be doofus-culture liberals. Plenty of other liberals condemn him. You won’t find much feminist love for him, for instance.

  10. Mike  •  Sep 29, 2009 @9:45 am
  11. ES  •  Sep 29, 2009 @11:05 am

    As someone who knows the law well, the thing I can’t wrap my head around is the dichotomy of statutory rape laws co-existing with the ability to charge children as adults. In this country, we have decided that before some magical age, be it 16 or 18, children *do not have the mental capacity* to consent to sex, vote, own a weapon, drive (NJ), marry, enter into contracts, or purchase real property. They are forced to go to learning institutions where they are told what they can and can’t do and their First Amendment rights are severely restricted. Basically, children are potted plants good for doing math homework and playing sports. They are mentally incapable of doing anything else. Fine, let’s go with that premise.

    Now, let’s say that same 13 year old girl that legally *did not have the capability* to consent to sex decided to get together with her 14 year old friends and rob a liquor store, and during the robbery she purposefully shot the liquor store attendant. They would be charged with conspiracy to commit robbery, conspiracy to commit murder, robbery, murder, and various accessory crimes, all of which require some level of *intent.* Some crimes require two or more levels of intent.

    So tell me, how is it, that the same girl who didn’t have the capacity to consent to sex because she is too young, can be charged with a crime involving intricate planning obtaining weapons, etc etc. Which is it? Are they incapable of thought, or are they capable of major crimes? My criminal law professor in law school, also a criminal judge for 30 years, when confronted with that same question by me answered “if you think about that too long, your head will explode.”

  12. Ken  •  Sep 29, 2009 @11:08 am

    It’s a good point, ES, and one that has been made in connection with a number of controversial topics (like the death penalty, and the capacity to chose abortion without parental consent).

    I think it would be very difficult to come up with a principled explanation for the disparity.

  13. Charles  •  Sep 29, 2009 @11:44 am

    ES: I think one way to reconcile the two is that the victim of an underage robber/murderer was in no way complicit in the most-assuredly not victimless crime while the accused in a statuory rape case is complicit accepting/encouraging the “consent” of a minor to engage in the illegal acts.

    The underage perpetrator in the first instance is subject to punishment for his/her actions, whereas in the case of statutory rape the underage person is considered the victim and the adult enabler bears the weight of the justice system.

  14. Nancy  •  Sep 29, 2009 @12:23 pm

    Thomas Reese, a Senior Fellow at Georgetown, has a column in the Washington Post in which he asks what would happen if the Knights of Columbus gave an award to a pedophile priest.

    http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/georgetown/2009/09/father_polanski_would_go_to_jail.html

    I can understand why the victim is not anxious to appear in court again. She would be torn to shreds by Polanski’s apologists.

  15. PatrickKelley  •  Sep 29, 2009 @12:56 pm

    Speaking here in defense of “The French”-I don’t think I would be so quick to lump the average French man or woman on the street-or in the factories, the home, the bakery, etc.,-in with the elitist schmucks whom all and sundry mistakenly assume speaks for all of them. Unfortunately, the French, like most Europeans, have limited options to choose from for their representation, just in fact like we do here. And of course, no one gets a vote on who represents the image of the cultural elites, other than in some cases with their wallets. I’m not so sure Polanski would find many friends among the average French citizen, or for that matter anyone else. I am dead certain very few would ask him to babysit their daughters.

  16. James  •  Sep 29, 2009 @2:33 pm

    This post is great in summing up all the reasons it’s absurd to exempt Polanski from a very clear and deliberate violation of the law. However, I couldn’t see why the DA would bother at this point. It seemed kind of pointless, until I read that he recently filed a motion to dismiss his conviction, all while refusing to appear in person for the proceedings. The DA shouldn’t let this ridiculousness continue and should spare no expense in getting him extradited.

  17. jb  •  Sep 29, 2009 @5:09 pm

    As to why liberals aren’t raising a stink about this: Is anyone outside the entertainment industry supporting Polanski? Most liberals I know are not following this case at all.

  18. Brian S.  •  Sep 29, 2009 @7:58 pm

    Excellent post.

  19. Michael  •  Sep 30, 2009 @6:19 am

    Ah, see, the thing that confuses me is: How could you let those rape apologists in several states get away with placing rape offences under various statutes of limitations?

    Now, legally those may be irrelevant here; morally, the reasons for their existence can easily be applied. Excuse me if I’m not going to lust for revenge (that would be “justice” for you guys) in a case that is so long past, with everybody having moved on. If he is extradited, then so be it, but yes, I am going to feel for him, as I would for anybody in that situation (remember: empathy = a good emotion by definition; look it up in a dictionary. Also, I think Jesus said as much, if that’s more your cup of tee). Yes, it’s much easier to feel hateful, but come on, challenge yourself once in a while, will ya?

    I wonder what you are going to say if Polanski wins his appeals in Switzerland. After all, that would be perfectly legal outcome.

    Finally, I just have to add that to my European sensibilities, large parts of the US criminal justice system, and in particular when it comes to sex crimes, are so fucked up that I can’t wish for anybody to be tried there – no offense.

  20. Patrick  •  Sep 30, 2009 @6:40 am

    None taken. We think it’s equally silly that in Germany, where you live, pedophilic rape is regarded as a minor crime, and people who wear a Nazi armband go to prison while people who are actually involved in massacres that kill thousands receive short sentences.

    It’s funny how cultural perspectives differ, isn’t it Michael?

  21. Ken  •  Sep 30, 2009 @6:48 am
    Ah, see, the thing that confuses me is: How could you let those rape apologists in several states get away with placing rape offences under various statutes of limitations?

    I’m not sure if you are trying to draw a parallel, Michael. But statutes of limitation only place limits on bringing charges for the first time against a defendant. They do not, under any stretch of the imagination, apply to a defendant who was charged, and pled guilty, during the limitations period, then fled before sentencing.

    I wonder what you are going to say if Polanski wins his appeals in Switzerland. After all, that would be perfectly legal outcome.

    That would depend upon whether the outcome is a principled application of Swiss law, or some variation on the “He’s a Great Man” “it was just sex” and etc. defense.

  22. Joel Rosenberg  •  Sep 30, 2009 @6:57 am

    …while people who are actually involved in massacres that kill thousands receive short sentences.
    You’re being too generous, Patrick, although you’re not inaccurate. While many of the Nazi war criminals received short sentences (a very few received long ones, or were executed), the majority were never even prosecuted. Kurt Waldheim is probably the most prominent example — he wouldn’t have been too hard to find when he was at the UN — but he’s hardly the only one.

  23. Michael  •  Sep 30, 2009 @8:13 am

    But statutes of limitation only place limits on bringing charges for the first time against a defendant.

    I think that’s what I said in my post (that it may be legally irrelevant). My argument is that there are reasons why we have statutes of limitations: For example, most of the justifications for punishment (say, deterrence) lose their validity over time. Note also note the careful phrasing in the original blog post: “…. moral responsibility for rape has a shelf-life”.

    I’m bothered by this argument, because it doesn’t seem to me as if many of the Polanski supporters writing letters etc. force their moral view on you. They just argue theirs: That their morals do not require Roman Polanski to be punished at this point, in the given circumstances. They are reacting to the arrest. You are reacting to their reaction.

    That would depend upon whether the outcome is a principled application of Swiss law

    Fair enough. But isn’t it common that certain government positions have the ability to pardon people? Say, for example, Governor Schwarzenegger could grant clemency to Polanski, and wanted to think about it. What principles should he follow when making that decision?

    where you live, pedophilic rape is regarded as a minor crime, and people who wear a Nazi armband go to prison while people who are actually involved in massacres that kill thousands receive short sentences.

    Well, rapists and massacrists both receiving compressively short sentences seems quite consistent, so I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make here, besides that sentences generally are lower, which is, while rather simplified, generally along the lines of what I was trying to say.

    As for wearing Nazi armbands, until I see evidence to the contrary, I feel comfortable claiming that nobody actually went to prison over anything like that either. Now, the fact that it is a crime in the first place is a different topic whatsoever. I certainly dislike the European approach to civil rights in general, and free speech in particular as much as the US approach to criminal justice.

  24. Patrick  •  Sep 30, 2009 @8:42 am

    As for wearing Nazi armbands, until I see evidence to the contrary, I feel comfortable claiming that nobody actually went to prison over anything like that either.

    Smugness breeds comfort:

    http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/docid/3ae6a7d98.html

    (Search for the word Karlsruhe and you’ll see what I mean.)

    But comfort in smugness is a small sin, as Germany’s sins go, so I’ll give you a pass Michael.

  25. Ken  •  Sep 30, 2009 @8:50 am
    I think that’s what I said in my post (that it may be legally irrelevant). My argument is that there are reasons why we have statutes of limitations: For example, most of the justifications for punishment (say, deterrence) lose their validity over time. Note also note the careful phrasing in the original blog post: “…. moral responsibility for rape has a shelf-life”.

    And yet you brought it up, and smugly suggested that Americans were inconsistent in allowing statutes of limitations for rape.

    Statutes of limitations are based on concepts of repose — that it is fundamentally unfair to charge someone with a crime so many years after it happened that it is unreasonably difficult to defend against it. To the extent there is a moral underpinning to that, I don’t see how it applies to someone who was charged, pled guilty, and fled before sentencing.

    Nor can I see a coherent moral argument that someone should be left alone, and allowed to escape a sentence for an admitted crime, because they successfully escaped justice for a prolonged period of time. The delay is a consequence of Polanski fleeing to a country that would not extradite him, not a consequence of indifference by the United States. Making a moral argument of that is the equivalent of the classic “forgive me for killing my parents, because I’m an orphan now.”

    ’m bothered by this argument, because it doesn’t seem to me as if many of the Polanski supporters writing letters etc. force their moral view on you. They just argue theirs: That their morals do not require Roman Polanski to be punished at this point, in the given circumstances. They are reacting to the arrest. You are reacting to their reaction.

    And I am not forcing my moral view on them. I am articulating it. Why does that bother you more than them articulating their moral view?

  26. Michael  •  Sep 30, 2009 @9:37 am

    (Search for the word Karlsruhe and you’ll see what I mean.)

    It seems he was sentenced to two years. Not exactly for wearing armbands, but certainly not an outcome I am happy with. However, if you’d like me to, I am sure I’d be able to dig up a sentence by a US court I can agree with. Don’t make this out to be US vs Germany (I admit I may have contributed to that). There are plenty of people in Germany who agree with Poland, and the ACLU seems like a sensible bunch. This is about the underlying ideology.

    And yet you brought it up, and smugly suggested that Americans were inconsistent in allowing statutes of limitations for rape. [...] that it is fundamentally unfair to charge someone with a crime so many years after it happened that it is unreasonably difficult to defend against it.

    No, I brought it up because I wanted you to think about why they exist. Which you did apparently. I disagree with your conclusion though. This is/should not be the main reason.

    Nor can I see a coherent moral argument that someone should be left alone

    I never said it is a moral imperative that he be left alone. I’m saying the reverse isn’t true either.

    Why does that bother you more than them articulating their moral view?

    If you argue that he should be extradited and sentenced, I have no problem with that. If you feel you need to establish your moral supremacy by calling me a moral cretin for disagreeing with you, then I guess I’m just motivated to do the same. Which is sort of childish, yes. I probably should be above that kind of thing.

  27. Ken  •  Sep 30, 2009 @9:44 am
    No, I brought it up because I wanted you to think about why they exist. Which you did apparently. I disagree with your conclusion though. This is/should not be the main reason.

    “Is” and “should not be” are different. You are entitled to your moral evaluation that it should not be. I’d be interested in seeing any historical or case authority for the proposition that American statutes of limitation are not, actually, based on the value of repose as I articulated it.

    If you feel you need to establish your moral supremacy by calling me a moral cretin for disagreeing with you, then I guess I’m just motivated to do the same.

    I don’t find all arguments in support of Polanski morally cretinous. I would describe your particular view about the passage of time deeply flawed and without what I see as a justifiable moral basis. If you started to combine it willy-nilly with other arguments — as others have — then I might start calling the whole package morally cretinous — if, for example, you tried to dismiss the charges against Polanski as Puritanism.

  28. Patrick  •  Sep 30, 2009 @9:46 am

    It seems he was sentenced to two years. Not exactly for wearing armbands, but certainly not an outcome I am happy with.

    Don’t split hairs. Your concession is especially graceless considering that you have access to German language media, while I don’t. I studied Russian, because I wanted to speak the tongue of a civilized people. Yet it took me less than a minute to demolish a cavalier assertion that you, in your assumption of moral superiority, had made without checking.

    However, if you’d like me to, I am sure I’d be able to dig up a sentence by a US court I can agree with. Don’t make this out to be US vs Germany (I admit I may have contributed to that).

    You assuredly did. And yet I’d do it anyway, because Germany is a nation of beasts and barbarians. I’m not speaking of you, personally. I’m sure you’re a nice person. But you live in a nation that is justly condemned by all civilized peoples for its history of blindly following the commands of morally degenerate monsters.

  29. Ken  •  Sep 30, 2009 @9:47 am

    By the way, with respect to the moral universe of Roman Polanski, let’s not forget a comment he made, as pointed out by Patterico. This was his explanation, once he fled to Europe, for why he was being prosecuted:

    If I had killed somebody, it wouldn’t have had so much appeal to the press, you see? But… fucking, you see, and the young girls. Judges want to fuck young girls. Juries want to fuck young girls. Everyone wants to fuck young girls!

    Bear in mind, for context of what he means by “little girls,” that at this point he had admitted under oath that he knew she was 13.

  30. Joel Rosenberg  •  Sep 30, 2009 @10:02 am

    I’m not speaking of you, personally. I’m sure you’re a nice person. But you live in a nation that is justly condemned by all civilized peoples for its history of blindly following the commands of morally degenerate monsters.
    I have no reason to believe that he’s a nice person, Patrick; YMMV.

    Other than that, I wish I’d put it that gently.

  31. Michael  •  Sep 30, 2009 @10:34 am

    I’d be interested in seeing any historical or case authority for the proposition that American statutes of limitation are not, actually, based on the value of repose as I articulated it.

    I don’t know about the American reasoning. I could insert another snarky remark here about how I wouldn’t be surprised…, but I won’t. I think we can leave it at that. You come off more sensible in the comments than in your post, and this issue just pushes my buttons.

    If I had killed somebody, it wouldn’t have had so much appeal to the press, you see? But… fucking, you see, and the young girls. Judges want to fuck young girls. Juries want to fuck young girls. Everyone wants to fuck young girls!

    Pretty juvenile, sure, and as a defense, if it was intended as such, worthless, but the core proposition is certainly not incorrect. That a certain hypocritical approach to sex and youth in our society exists has been pretty well established, and whenever I hear that idea of rapists supposedly having an especially bad time in prison because all those murderers there think they are oh so morally superior, or if I read the comment on the other post from the guy who seems proud that he thinks he would hunt down a friend rapist and kill him, I can’t help but think that some peoples moral compass about the wrongness of murder vs rape isn’t quite in sync with my own.

  32. Michael  •  Sep 30, 2009 @10:36 am

    You assuredly did

    Only accidentally so. My assumption of moral superiority would primarily include myself, and I’d happily extend it to anybody worthy of it, regardless of nationality.

    Yes, considering that with hundreds of thousands of court cases, it is basically a given that at some point, somewhere somebody must indeed have been sentenced to prison for a speech crime, I also should have been careful with my wording. I was wrong. I’m not sure what you want me to say here. Still, those cases are going to be the exception.

    Germany is a nation of beasts and barbarians. But you live in a nation that is justly condemned by all civilized peoples for its history of blindly following the commands of morally degenerate monsters.

    Since a nation is just an anthropological abstract, I’m sure Germany will not have any hard feelings ;)

  33. Zahara  •  Sep 30, 2009 @10:38 am

    A Poem – What if

    - The A&E industry didn’t close rank around RP
    - No statements by French Cultural Ministers
    - No petitions signed by an international Who’s Who
    - No Debra Winger crying foul
    - Or Whoopi (rape-rape)
    - What would that look like
    - What are these people afraid of
    - By not supporting him
    - Never being invited for Apres Ski ever again
    - Or partying with him in Cannes
    - Not appearing in any of his future productions
    - Getting no love from Roman

    What If

  34. Jdog  •  Sep 30, 2009 @11:32 am

    Only accidentally so. My assumption of moral superiority would primarily include myself…

    Germans assuming and asserting their own superiority . . . hmmm . . . I hear that doesn’t always work out real well.

  35. Mark H  •  Oct 1, 2009 @12:28 pm

    Zahara’s got it right. Polanski’s supporters screwed up big time. If they’d kept their mouths shut, this case wouldn’t be getting anywhere near the kind of attention it now has. Thanks to them, millions of citizens across the U.S. and Europe have now been educated on the nature of Polanski’s actions, and it will be very hard indeed for either the Swiss or U.S. governments to release him. And even if they did release him, his notoriety now is far greater than it was beforehand, rendering him virtually unemployable in the film industry. His career is over.

    I found Ms. Shore’s comments to be quite interesting, considering that she wrote a prior piece in HuffPo in November 2007 entitled “What Are We Doing to Our Children?”, where she decried a schoolteacher having his way with a 13-year old boy and called it “robbing the cradle with a sinister new twist.” She applauded Interpol for arresting such “sex-sick” fiends and bringing them to justice. I suppose these people did not charm her or Mike Wallace to the extent that Polanski did.

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