This Looks Like A Job For Sonia Sotomayor

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Domelights is a web forum much like our own, except that where our members discuss games, adoption, and what not, the members of Domelights discuss how great it is to be a cop in Philadelphia.

Officer Rochelle Bilal of the Philadelphia Police Department is not a fan of Domelights.  While Officer Bilal, who is black, agrees that it’s great to be a Philadelphia cop, she doesn’t understand why some of the members at Domelights, presumably cops themselves, feel compelled to spend so much time discussing black people in derogatory terms.

So Officer Rochelle is suing to have the site shut down.

The suit maintains that officers often make postings from department computers and that it is well-known among members of the nation’s fourth-largest department. Though postings are anonymous, the site’s founder and moderator — who uses the screen name “McQ” — is known to be an active sergeant in the department, the suit alleges.

“The Guardian Civic League has been watching Domelights for the past two years,” said Rochelle Bilal, the group’s president. “We are sick and tired of them hurting our people by their comments. … They are further dividing this institution.”

The lawsuit cites racially derogatory commentary on the site, including one posting that says: “Guns don’t kill people … Dangerous minorities do.” Other posts include racial slurs and encourage racial profiling, according to the lawsuit.

I’ve uploaded a copy of the suit here: Guardian Civic v Philadelphia PD Domelights

In fairneess to Domelights, in addition to discussing how much they hate black people, the forum also hosts discussions on Philadelphia sports, restaurants, politics in general, and more.  It’s a general interest forum, populated by cops.

The members of the Domelights forum, it’s safe to say, aren’t too pleased about the suit.  While Domelights itself is named as a party (by the way, good luck collecting damages from the owner of an open web forum just because its members write mean things), the main thrust of the suit is that the Philadelphia Police Department, itself a party, should be compelled to order its officers not to participate on the forum.  On pain of firing.

The suit is phrased in terms of civil rights, alleging that by allowing officers to post at Domelights, on or off the job, the Department subjects Bilal and other black officers to a hostile work environment.  I’ve poked around Domelights myself, and can’t say that I like much of what I read there.  (Surprise – they also hate lawyers.) Nor for that matter am I fan of the Philadelphia PD in general, for reasons covered by my co-blogger Ken. But eh, I’ve read and heard worse.  Ultimately the case may end with the city ordering officers not to use work computers for any personal purpose, leaving more interesting First Amendment issues undecided.

But here’s where the case gets interesting.  Right now at Domelights, there are a number of discussions (based on the New Haven firefighter case) of what a horrible, racist judge Sonia Sotomayor is and will be when she’s confirmed for the Supreme Court.  Now I can’t say what Third Circuit case law has to say about whether a public employer, such as the Philadelphia Police Department, can fire its employees for holding racist beliefs or for racist speech.

But I do know what the nearby Second Circuit has to say on the issue: YES WE CAN!

That was the conclusive holding of Pappas v. Giuliani, a 2002 decision in which the Court held, 2-1, that the New York Police Department could fire Officer Thomas Pappas for mailing racist materials and belonging to something called The National Association for the Advancement of White People.

The lone dissenting judge in the case?  Sonia Sotomayor, who would have held that Pappas’s ideas and actions, while repulsive, were constitutionally protected even though he held a position of public responsibility as a police officer.

Pappas is a hard case from either side.  Personally I’m reluctantly inclined to side, with Sotomayor while at the same time shuddering in the knowledge that, had one of Sotomayor’s colleagues joined her, a thoroughly vile character might still be on the New York Police Department.

Of course in some ways the Pappas case is easier than what’s alleged here.  Pappas’s speech was far more loathsome than the “locker room” casual redneck racism that’s complained of in Domelights.  But in others the Pappas case is harder.  There was no evidence Pappas’s speech was repeated on the job, while the Philly PD allegedly allows officers to post at Domelights from work computers.

This case, if its litigated fully (and it should be, as it presents interesting issues on the First Amendment and the Civil Rights Act), may wind up before Sonia Sotomayor one day.  If and when that happens, she may have the opportunity, in the most emphatic way, to reverse her Second Circuit colleagues.

Do you think the folks at Domelights will appreciate her if that day comes?

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8 Comments

  1. jdub  •  Jul 16, 2009 @1:20 pm

    Do you think the folks at Domelights will appreciate her if that day comes?

    Don’t hold your breath on either count.

  2. Charles  •  Jul 16, 2009 @2:29 pm

    I tend to agree with the majority in Pappas; the police are the most visible liasons between a community and the public. Much like the Board of Ed in NYC was able to fire my high school physics teacher for being an officer of NAMBLA and the NYFD was able to oust firefighters who entered a racist float into a community parade, a cop posting racist messages is more than an embarrassment to the City. It is a signal that the City doesn’t care about racism and, by extension, the targeted group.

    My problem with the Bilal suit is the breadth of the relief sought. There is a difference from permitting Philly cops to post racist thoughts on Domelight (on or off the clock) and permitting them to post on Domelight at all.

  3. Patrick  •  Jul 16, 2009 @2:39 pm

    The “on or off the clock” distinction is likely to be the most important one in this case Charles. Consider that the basis of the complaint is an allegedly hostile work environment.

  4. Linus  •  Jul 16, 2009 @4:11 pm

    The “on or off the clock” distinction is likely to be the most important one in this case Charles. Consider that the basis of the complaint is an allegedly hostile work environment.

    Do you mean “on or off the clock” when the offenders post something? Or “on or off the clock” when the victims read the site? It seems to me that it doesn’t matter when they post the offending material (on or off the clock) if the question is “hostile work environment”. The question will be, how does reading a website at home create a hostile work environment at work? If the answer is, “because I know who writes this nasty stuff, and then I have to go to work the next day and work with them”, it hardly matters if they’ve been nasty during office hours or not. For example, the court couldn’t hold that posting there creates a hostile work environment, but only when the post’s timestamp is during office hours.

    Of course, that could lead to a ruling that, in the comfort of his own home, on his own time, and using his own property, a man may not post, anonymously, to a website, because someone may voluntarily navigate to that site and become so offended at what is written that they have a hard time at work knowing that the person who wrote the mean things may be among them. Like Pod people. It seems pretty clear from the Complaint that the plaintiffs don’t know who McQ is, precisely, nor who the other posters are; otherwise, they’d have identified them by name, wouldn’t they?

  5. Jim  •  Jul 17, 2009 @9:50 am

    Being a Philly PD officer I can tell you that internet access is restriced in our Districts. Our Detective’s don’t even have an e-mail account. I believe internet access is only granted to supervisors and above. I don’t know anywhere in my district that I could just log onto a computer terminal and just browse the internet. I’ve been with the dept going on 10 years now. The only way officers could log onto the site while at work would be via Cell Phone not dept computers.

  6. Patrick  •  Jul 17, 2009 @10:15 am

    If that’s the case Jim, if no one is reading or posting to the site from work, the Plaintiff has an uphill battle indeed. As I said, I’ve read the forum, as well as the complaint (copy of which is uploaded above), and found nothing approaching what justified speech infringement in the Pappas case.

  7. jack fate  •  Jul 17, 2009 @4:44 pm

    The “finest” of Buffalo, NY.

    http://theleftyline.blogspot.com/

  8. A. Colon  •  Aug 4, 2010 @1:28 pm

    Domelights not only was a racist web site they actually carriered out their threats and beat Latino during the Puerto Rican day parade and came back on domelights to laugh about it. They also targeted a Latino owned police supply shop retailer, and practically placed him out of business.

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