It Became Necessary To Destroy the Freedom In Order To Save It

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We’re accustomed to people justifying restrictions on our personal liberty on the grounds that they need to protect our personal morals, or the morals of society at large. We’re even more hardened to politicians restricting our liberty on the pretext that they need to protect our physical health and safety. These justifications are questionable both in the abstract (perhaps the former more clearly than the latter) and often in application to particular facts.

Neither, though, is as pernicious or objectionable as the Orwellian argument that it is necessary to restrict personal liberty in order to protect personal liberty.

French President Nicolas Sarkozy recently proposed, in a speech to French parliament, that France ban women from wearing the burka.

He expressed his strong distaste for the head-to-toe Islamic veil, calling it not a sign of religion but a sign of subservience.

“It will not be welcome on French soil,” he said.” We cannot accept, in our country, women imprisoned behind a mesh, cut off from society, deprived of all identity. That is not the French republic’s idea of women’s dignity.”

President Sarkozy’s comments have not come out of the blue.

They are in response to a call last week by a group of 65 cross-party MPs, led by the Communist Andre Gerin, who wants a parliamentary commission set up to investigate the spread of the burka in France.

They want to see whether such a spread is indicative of a radicalisation of Islam, whether women are being forced to cover themselves or are doing so voluntarily, and whether wearing the burka undermines French secularism.

Mr Gerin believes the burka “amounts to a breach of individual freedom on our national territory”.

No doubt Sarkozy is pandering here, raising a controversial issue to divide opponents and divert attention from more complicated matters. That doesn’t make the fundamental conflict raised any less important.

People in Western democracies have broad zones of personal liberty, notwithstanding Nanny-statism, drug wars, anti-terror hysteria, and speech policing. That liberty usually includes how to dress, what to read, what to say, when and how to congregate.

But people often ignore the fact that an essential element of our freedom is the ability to refrain from using it — and even to contract it away — without the state second-guessing our basis for doing so. We do so every day. We accept employment in buttoned-down offices, choosing to give up our right to wear flip-flops and clever T-shirts. We marry, dramatically limiting our ability to sleep with whom we wish without expensive legal consequences. We adhere to religious tenets — at least in public, at least on the sabbath — that restrict our liberty. We sign contracts that waive our legal rights in order to engage in dangerous or expensive activities, and to some extent those waivers are honored and we can’t sue the skydiving or SCUBA or safari company whose services we chose to use. We join restrictive suburban communities and elect to give our neighbors the power to decide what kind of flags we can fly or bumper stickers we can affix (though this tends to be a matter of controversy even among usually like-minded people).

In each of these cases someone of a philosophical bent could argue that we are not “free” — we are reacting to economic, social, and familial pressures and conditioning. But that’s puerile and mastubatory; at that level nothing we do is free. Those “pressures” simply mean that freedoms carry consequences, which is not the same as saying they are not freedoms. If I choose to exercise my right to tell every single person I meet to their face what I think of them, I will be a pariah. If I refuse to dress in anything but flip-flops and rude T-shirts, I may wind up homeless. If I loudly advocate things that are against the tenets of my faith, I may not be welcome among the faithful. That’s as it should be, because those consequences all involve other people exercising their freedoms.

Do many women in France and elsewhere wear a burka out of social, familial, and religious pressure? No doubt. But I grew up in a church in which the roles of women — including intelligent, powerful, emancipated women like my mother — were dramatically limited by church doctrine. Nobody but the most outré argued that they were not free to refuse to adhere to the tenets of that church, despite the fact that if they left it they would face social and familial consequences, and some would probably face domestic violence. We don’t allow the state to second-guess those women and prevent them from going to that church — and the French should not second-guess Muslim women who wear the burka — because to second-guess them on the pretext of protecting their freedom is to treat them like children and to make it certain (rather than merely a subject of speculation) that what they wear or do is involuntary. By telling Muslim women that they can’t chose to wear a burka because we don’t believe their choice is free, France is proposing to elevate the concept of false consciousness — long a statist justification for totalitarianism — to a legal principle.

Leaving people free to make choices means that some will make choices we don’t like under pressures we deplore. Libertarians tend to advocate making drug use and prostitution legal, but that doesn’t mean we like to see women become prostitutes or people engage in heavy drug use — we just think that the alternative, letting the state treat us like children, is unacceptable. Some Muslim women will wear the burka under threat of pariah status at best and physical violence at worst. That ought to be addressed by a legal system that treats physical abuse harshly without accepting different religious norms as a justification or excuse, and by charities that provide escape routes for abused persons. It should not be addressed by creeping totalitarianism that tells us that free people cannot be trusted to give up freedoms.

This issue makes strange bedfellows. Many feminists – hardly fans of the ethos behind the burka — recognize Sarkozy’s move as the infantilizing and repressive move that it is. Yet people who we would expect to be in favor of individual autonomy and freedom of thought applaud it. Consider this thread on the subject full of appalling false-consciousness-pimping statism-apologias at Richard Dawkin’s site. The temptation to believe that we know better than our peers — whether it’s based on morals, or health and safety, or “preserving freedom” — is universal and pervasive. France should avoid it, as should we.

Edited to add: questions about potential cultural bias from Mike at Crime and Federalism.

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21 Comments

21 Comments

  1. Mike  •  Jun 29, 2009 @11:27 am

    Eh, I totally disagree… though my comment would be as long as your post.

    Short answer: In general, your post suffers from a Western-centric bias. The way you and I, as white Western men, give up our freedom is much different from the way Muslim women “give up” their freedom. Thus, your entire post is informed by this Western conception of freedom. I think I should do a post on that bias, anyway.

  2. Patrick  •  Jun 29, 2009 @11:48 am

    For that matter, the Gallic conception of freedom is very different from the Anglo-American conception.

  3. David  •  Jun 29, 2009 @11:53 am

    In fact, there’s a plurality of conceptions of freedom not properly taxonomized along national lines, and certainly not by way of a binary paradigm as crude as “Western|Eastern”.

    But then, the complexity of the situation is all the more reason that a dictum from the state (whether it be France or Freedonia) ought not to be the deciding factor. So Mike– your observation supports rather than rebuts Ken’s thesis.

  4. Mike  •  Jun 29, 2009 @12:52 pm

    David: Who said there was a Western-Eastern dichotomy? I said Western-Muslim. And, yes, I would argue that the dichotomy makes sense. If you don’t think the Muslim world has a different world view and approach to life than the Western world, then I’m not sure we can even have a conversation. Our premises would be too far apart.

    Incidentally, Muslim women are also “free” to leave the oppressive French state. If they want to wear their garb, leave France. In light of Ken’s post, what’s wrong with my conception of freedom? Freedom means: If you don’t live it, leave!

    So, by Ken’s logic, we could also say that the Muslim women are simply making a free choice to not wear their garb.

    Now, I know that is not Ken’s point. Yet I am only being half-cute. I also suspect that Ken would say that compulsion of the state is different from compulsion of private actors. I would say, “In the Western world, yes!”

    Yet that is the dividing line of our disagreement. We are talking about this issue as products of Western culture.

    In the Muslim world, though, private actors compel much in the same ways government compels – namely, through the barrel of a gun.

    If I’m a white dude living in the Western world who doesn’t want to work with you, it’s all good. What are you going to do…. Blog mean things about me? If I’m a Muslim woman who doesn’t want to wear the garb, well, a nasty blog post would be the least of my worries.

    And, of course, in the Muslim world women are inculcated in a society of learned helplenssness.

    I disagree with guys like Ken and Patrick on discreet issues because they are non-empirical libertarians. Many of us libertarians just come up with theories based on a Western understanding of the world. We don’t consider empirical facts. We say, “freedom,” and “choice,” and “free will,” as if those concepts are clear and have universal meaning.

    We toss around words like “free choice,” that, to us, make total sense. Yet, as people commonly like to quip, “I don’t think ‘free choice’ means what you think it means.”

  5. Ken  •  Jun 29, 2009 @1:08 pm
    Yet, as people commonly like to quip, “I don’t think ‘free choice’ means what you think it means.”

    Well, I mean legal right. I don’t mean “ability to do a thing without practical and social consequences.”

    Also, I’m not sure how you distinguish Muslim women (and other Muslims) from, say, poor people. The popular justification for increased economic regulation is that poor people don’t actually have the freedom to choose among contracts. Hence the sentiment that you ought not be able to accept job terms of which Nancy Pelosi disapproves. That’s probably as empirically true as is your observation about Muslim women. How do you distinguish them? How do you distinguish the empirical arguments that drugs and cigarettes and alcohol addict people, who therefore are not free, and therefore people should not have the freedom to use them? How do you distinguish the empirical argument that poverty and abuse typically drive women into prostitution? Or am I making an incorrect assumption that you would try to distinguish any of those arguments?

  6. Mike  •  Jun 29, 2009 @1:19 pm

    popular justification for increased economic regulation is that poor people don’t actually have the freedom to choose among contracts

    This is indeed empirically true. Poor people are also generally stupid and unsophisticated. I supported the credit card reform legislation – at least insofar as the late fee funny business and other shady practices were concerned. I also don’t have too much sympathy when contracts of adhesion are invalided. “Freedom of contract” is thrown around as if it means something. Usually, it doesn’t. There is very little freedom of contract.

    How do you distinguish the empirical arguments that drugs and cigarettes and alcohol addict people

    True. You can choose to become addicted, though. I have never used cocaine, because I know I would become addicted. If I want to make the choice to become an addict, then my choice is free – at least at the inception.

    Moreover, if there were a way to screen addicts, then it might not be a bad thing for government to prevent addicts from consuming alcohol.

    Or am I making an incorrect assumption that you would try to distinguish any of those arguments?

    This statement ties into this one: you ought not be able to accept job terms of which Nancy Pelosi disapproves

    I am still a libertarian because I do not trust the government to make decisions based on empirical facts or logic.

    So, what will end up happening is that you and I will have a lot of disagreements at the margins.

    I am not a libertarian because it’s empirically sound; or because “freedom” is property understood by libertarians. I’m a libertarian because the only likely alternative is a large government. It is also a fact that no one can suppress freedom like a large government.

    Still, in a perfect world, there’s a liberal-conservative-libertarian hybrid. Polices disallowing women from being allowed to “choose” to wear Scarlet letters would co-exist with a free market for labor.

    In the real world, though, that’s impossible.

  7. David  •  Jun 29, 2009 @1:24 pm

    Mike– the “Western xor Muslim” dichotomy is even more lamentable than the “Western xor Eastern” one. Realityland is too complex to be usefully susceptible to analysis along such lines.

    The concept of “worldview” is likewise vague to the point of uselessness in all but the most carefully circumscribed discursive contexts.

    You assert that empirical facts are wanting in the analysis at hand. But tell me: which “empirical facts” lead you to believe in constructs such as “worldviews” and “Western”? Aren’t you just importing preferred a priori tools and insisting that everyone else use them merely because you regard them as adequate?

    How very non-western. ;)

    Still, in a perfect world, there’s a liberal-conservative-libertarian hybrid. Polices disallowing women from being allowed to “choose” to wear Scarlet letters would co-exist with a free market for labor.

    “Disallowing from being allowed to choose”? War is peace. Hate is love. Coercion is choice. Your “perfect world” is one in which the state saves people from themselves at the level of religious practice and dress?

  8. Linus  •  Jun 29, 2009 @3:59 pm

    By telling Muslim women that they can’t chose to wear a burka because we don’t believe their choice is free, France is proposing to elevate the concept of false consciousness — long a statist justification for totalitarianism — to a legal principle.

    This reminds me of the argument for seat-belt laws, but lacks even the cause-and-effect-of-higher-taxes-for-everyone argument. It’s purely a “you-know-not-what-you-do” argument.

    If I understand the empiricist argument correctly in this situation, your response to

    By telling Muslim women that they can’t chose to wear a burka because we don’t believe their choice is free,

    is “yeah, their choice isn’t free, empirically speaking.” Is that right?

    I personally think there’s a qualitative difference between consequences of physical violence, and consequences of shame, expulsion, isolation, etc. But I certainly can’t trust that a central government will always see the two as separate and distinct. And if the mantra is “protect the people, even from themselves”, in which direction do you think they’ll blur the line?

  9. Mike  •  Jun 29, 2009 @4:05 pm

    This reminds me of the argument for seat-belt laws, but lacks even the cause-and-effect-of-higher-taxes-for-everyone argument. It’s purely a “you-know-not-what-you-do” argument.

    LOL. No. More like: “These women live in a culture where, if they wear their seat belts, they will be beaten. Perhaps their children will be taken from them. Perhaps they will be removed to Saudi Arabia. Therefore, to spare them the drama inherent to their repugnant culture, we will demand that all persons wear seat belts.”

    Somewhat relatedly: Much to the chagrin of libertarians (and thus they never discuss it) smoking bangs have been very successful. Even the bar owners who “had their rights trampled” tend to see the smoking bans as a net positive.

    Often what appears to be paradoxical is not. Reality is really weird sometimes.

  10. Mike  •  Jun 29, 2009 @4:13 pm

    The concept of “worldview” is likewise vague to the point of uselessness in all but the most carefully circumscribed discursive contexts.

    Comments like these are cute. People feel especially clever when making them, and reading leather bound books. I read some essays by Charlte Forte. He claimed that there is no such thing as categories. That there is no difference between water and land. As a general principle, yes, we shouldn’t overly categorize things. Categories are indeed hard to define. Still .. step off of the island into the water…. see if you don’t notice a difference.

    If I said: You are facing charges for a criminal offense. You have the following choice:
    A) Trial in a “Western” court system;
    B) Trial in a Muslim court.

    We all know damned well which you and everyone else would chose.

    So, yeah, I can play clever games with categorization. It’s not especially hard.

    Though, as I’d say to Forte, “Just jump into the middle of the ocean and tell me there’s no difference between water and land,” I’d tell you to go assert your rights in a Muslim court. See if you don’t notice a difference between the Western way and the Muslim way.

    Now is when I’ll wait for a “clever” response like, “Well, maybe if I were on trial for rape I’d want to be tried in a Muslim court!” Har, har. Consider me so totally PWNED.

    We all know damned well that there is a meaningful distinction between the Western world and Muslim world. We can all play games and pretend there is no difference. Which is fine with me. I’ve been known to troll, too. Difference is…. I know the difference between when I’m trolling and when I’m spewing pseudo-intellectual bullshit! ;)

  11. Ken  •  Jun 29, 2009 @4:36 pm

    I think you are rather missing one of David’s points, which is that you are cheerfully treating all Muslim women as fungible in service of the idea that the state should restrict the actual, legal freedom of all in order to protect what I will call the “empirical freedom” of some.

    I might add you are also glossing over the difference between Muslim women in Muslim countries with Muslim women in Western countries, and effectively treating their experiences as fungible. Some honor killings aside, they are not.

  12. David  •  Jun 29, 2009 @4:40 pm

    I believe in meaningful distinctions, Mike. I just don’t find you making them. Perhaps it’s just that you’re not making them very well.

    For example, “court” is a concrete institution, but “worldview” is pseudo-analytical blather. Swapping the one for the other when you’re called out for wielding meaningless generalities doesn’t rebut; it concedes.

  13. dada isme  •  Jun 29, 2009 @4:47 pm

    i believe the number of 100 000 women wearing burqas in france you gave is grossly inaccurate. From some hundreds to a few thousands maybe.
    It is more the symbol of it that the real number that , in arguments, counts.

    To the thousands of algerians woman whose throats were lacerated during the 90′s civil war because not enough veiled they chose to live, to the millions more today in conservative islamic societies,who live under this cultural and religious slave chain there is an argument to be made about this piece of cloth as an uniform ( a liitle bit like the KKK uniform)

    So, to the many victims , whose possibilities in life were restrained and in two many cases obliterated, because of this fascism in new clothes, to know that in certains societies the presssure is on the fundamentalist , is somewhat a victory, and not a pyrrhus one.

    I do believe that the next great challenges facing us are not really islamic based.
    Something like the domestication of the sun’s energy, the colonisation of mars, or some sciences based developpment.
    But who knows, the futur is not written .
    Qui vivra verra

  14. Ken  •  Jun 29, 2009 @4:53 pm

    Well, it’s hard to argue with that.

  15. Mike  •  Jun 29, 2009 @9:20 pm

    For example, “court” is a concrete institution, but “worldview” is pseudo-analytical blather. Swapping the one for the other when you’re called out for wielding meaningless generalities doesn’t rebut; it concedes.

    Not at all. I could have formulated the issue in any number of ways. Would you rather discuss a philosophical issue with someone who has a Western worldview, or a Muslim worldview. That would indeed be a meaningful distinction. As would be a “Christian worldview” from a “Western worldview.”

    There is a rich literature in this. Poke around Google Scholar or Google Books or something. It’s almost like you’re arguing that there is no such thing as Western culture, which is highly amusing.

    Now, that’s not to say that a person with a Western worldview would not be a Christian or Muslim. I am simply noting that these are indeed distinctions that we would recognize in any other context not involving playing debating games.

    A Western person would, e.g., be more open to reason than an Evangelical Christian or Muslim.

    Somewhat relatedly to my earlier point. Were these contracts the product of “free choice.” I highly doubt it:
    http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-bofa30-2009jun30,0,6339542.story?page=1

    Sure, I could say, “They signed the contract. Ergo, freedom!” Yet that would require one to ignore the actual reality of the contract.

  16. Mike  •  Jun 29, 2009 @9:28 pm

    I think you are rather missing one of David’s points, which is that you are cheerfully treating all Muslim women as fungible in service of the idea that the state should restrict the actual, legal freedom of all in order to protect what I will call the “empirical freedom” of some.

    You could say that of every law. Any generally applicable law restricts the freedom of some. There is no such thing as Perfect Freedom.

    Even in anarchy, there’d be restriction of freedom. It might be de facto, but it’d be there. Heck, we have seen Anarchy, State, (Non) Utopia in many African countries. No government. Just “private” collectives (of tribes).

    Would, on net, a society be more free if the freedom of some were restricted? Often, yes, that is indeed the case.

    Now you might say that some actions are legitimate. Yet I’ve never found the distinction between physical and mental compulsion to be persuasion. I think that libertarians tend toward bookishness, and thus too easily are willing to create the No Physical Harm principle.

    I might add you are also glossing over the difference between Muslim women in Muslim countries with Muslim women in Western countries, and effectively treating their experiences as fungible. Some honor killings aside, they are not.

    And you are treating them similarly. So I guess we should both be stoned to death.

    But I am not treating them are entirely the same.

    Still, how many of these Western Muslim women are converts? They just decided, upon age of maturity, to subjugate themselves to men? That doesn’t fly with me; and I doubt it does with you, too.

    Rather, children were subjugated at birth, and indoctrinated into a state of submissiveness. Thus, they are not Muslim by any definition of “choice.”

    Oh, and I speak from some experience. Until a few years ago I believed in God. This was not by “choice.” Rather, from a very early age I was told nightmare-inducing stories of Hell. I was literally brainwashed by my parents. I didn’t reach Christianity in adult hood. So to say that, as a 27-year-old (when I finally rid myself of the nonsense), I “chose” to be a Christian would require you to ignore, well, pretty much my entire life. And, most importantly, my formative years.

    Give me a kid and I can make that kid believe whatever I want him or her to. I could turn a kid into a scholar or a whore. To then look at the adult and say, “You choose to be a whore!,” again, simply ignores what actually occurred.

    Now, as a Western white male, I could finally choose to believe (or not) in God. I wasn’t worried about getting beaten up. Unlike a woman, I wasn’t inculturated into a world of total submissivness or closed-looped thinking.

    Thus, yes, it is indeed contra reality for us as Western white males to speak of the free “choice” all of these Muslim women have made.

  17. Ken  •  Jun 29, 2009 @9:33 pm

    Hmm. Mike, is religious liberty even possible then? It rather sounds as if you would say no.

  18. Linus  •  Jun 30, 2009 @7:13 am

    Oh, and I speak from some experience. Until a few years ago I believed in God. This was not by “choice.” Rather, from a very early age I was told nightmare-inducing stories of Hell. I was literally brainwashed by my parents.

    Given these observations, you’re hardly a neutral observer of whether someone else has “freely” chosen their religious beliefs/actions. It’s fine, I do this sort of thing myself. For example, I can’t believe anyone, in good faith, actually likes soy milk. Because I’ve had it, and it’s disgusting. So the people who claim to like it are just trying to be cool, or they’ve been indoctrinated by their parents or …

    See, that’s the problem I have with claims like that. It extends far beyond religious belief, and encompasses all belief. In that sense, it sounds like you don’t believe any liberty is possible.

  19. Rosie  •  Jul 1, 2009 @10:43 am

    Poor people are also generally stupid and unsophisticated.

    Really? I have read about a good number of politicians like Nicholas Sarkozy who are equally stupid, despite their so-called sophistication.

    Frankly, I think that Sarkozy should have kept his damn mouth shut. He has no business insisting that a group of citizens not behave in a certain manner (wearing burkas) that is not a threat to him or the state. He doesn’t even know whether all Muslim women are subjugated into wearing burkas or not. Instead, he makes an assumption based upon his own bigotry and stupidity . . . and insist that these women behave like “all” French women for their own good. Like they were children. In the end, he has behaved in the very way that he has accussed the Muslim community of behaving.

  20. Rosie  •  Jul 1, 2009 @10:47 am

    There are a great number of women in Western countries who have endured a great deal of trauma, due to their gender. And these women are not Muslims. Does President Sarkozy plan to speak on behalf of these women in France? Or does he believe that he does not have to, because they live in a Western country that practices democracy?

  21. Ken  •  Jul 1, 2009 @10:48 am

    Proposition for critique: it is necessary for a free society to treat adults as if they are capable of self-governance, even if empirically they are not.

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