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	<title>Comments on: Is There A Class Action I Can Join Against Legal Marketing Spammers?</title>
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		<title>By: Annals of legal marketing</title>
		<link>http://www.popehat.com/2009/06/27/is-there-a-class-action-i-can-join-against-legal-marketing-spammers/comment-page-1/#comment-34566</link>
		<dc:creator>Annals of legal marketing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 16:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] While we&#8217;re at it, Above the Law spots a San Antonio lawyer whose advertising leaves something to be desired in the tastefulness department; and Patrick at Popehat enters into communication with the Twitter account @SueEasy (more on which) with lively results. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] While we're at it, Above the Law spots a San Antonio lawyer whose advertising leaves something to be desired in the tastefulness department; and Patrick at Popehat enters into communication with the Twitter account @SueEasy (more on which) with lively results. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 02:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Colonel Harland Sanders is, sadly dead.  The Colonel Sanders you see on television is a (re)animated character who, as I understand it, may not even know the original recipe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Colonel Harland Sanders is, sadly dead.  The Colonel Sanders you see on television is a (re)animated character who, as I understand it, may not even know the original recipe.</p>
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		<title>By: matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 16:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>does anyone get points for john and george showing up lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>does anyone get points for john and george showing up lol</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 15:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those who prefer links, this is SueEasy&#039;s twitter stream: http://twitter.com/SueEasy

For the past 12 hours, while I&#039;ve been sleeping, someone in Karachi has been tweeting up a storm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those who prefer links, this is SueEasy's twitter stream: <a href="http://twitter.com/SueEasy" rel="nofollow">http://twitter.com/SueEasy</a></p>
<p>For the past 12 hours, while I've been sleeping, someone in Karachi has been tweeting up a storm.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 15:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the benefit of our readers who avoid Twitter, here are some of @SueEasy&#039;s flurry of angry tweets at us this morning:

&lt;blockquote&gt;SueEasy@Popehat Please read our terms &amp; conditions as well as disclaimer messages on CA pages. Some due diligence will do you good.

SueEasy@Popehat http://www.popehat.com/auth... Mr. &quot;Patrick&#039;s&quot; stellar lineup of blog posts (most with 1 or 2 comments). mostly very bitter

SueEasy@Popehat We&#039;re happy to provide you with traffic. However your misrepresentation and accusations against us are very sad.

SueEasy@Popehat If tweets were &quot;spam&quot; then most people on here r criminals. Sorry about the one tweet we sent to you, which was out of goodwill.

SueEasy@Popehat And for a grammar nazi you should look closer at your posts &quot;“Filing” of a “complaint” means the the act of submitting&quot; RIGHT!

SueEasy@Popehat We clearly mention all complaints are submitted to attorneys for review. The user-generated Class Actions are NOT certified.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

My comments:

1.  Patrick is, in fact, both stellar and bitter.

2.  I think it is completely hilarious that we have angered a supposedly professional company into calling us &quot;grammar Nazis.&quot;  

3.  This flurry of tweets coincided with &quot;John&#039;s&quot; flurry of posts here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the benefit of our readers who avoid Twitter, here are some of @SueEasy's flurry of angry tweets at us this morning:</p>
<blockquote><p>SueEasy@Popehat Please read our terms &#038; conditions as well as disclaimer messages on CA pages. Some due diligence will do you good.</p>
<p>SueEasy@Popehat <a href="http://www.popehat.com/auth.." rel="nofollow">http://www.popehat.com/auth..</a>. Mr. "Patrick's" stellar lineup of blog posts (most with 1 or 2 comments). mostly very bitter</p>
<p>SueEasy@Popehat We're happy to provide you with traffic. However your misrepresentation and accusations against us are very sad.</p>
<p>SueEasy@Popehat If tweets were "spam" then most people on here r criminals. Sorry about the one tweet we sent to you, which was out of goodwill.</p>
<p>SueEasy@Popehat And for a grammar nazi you should look closer at your posts "“Filing” of a “complaint” means the the act of submitting" RIGHT!</p>
<p>SueEasy@Popehat We clearly mention all complaints are submitted to attorneys for review. The user-generated Class Actions are NOT certified.</p></blockquote>
<p>My comments:</p>
<p>1.  Patrick is, in fact, both stellar and bitter.</p>
<p>2.  I think it is completely hilarious that we have angered a supposedly professional company into calling us "grammar Nazis."  </p>
<p>3.  This flurry of tweets coincided with "John's" flurry of posts here.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 15:27:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;According to that logic, one could imply that you are a paid, propoganda spewing stooge for the tort-reform lobby&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I wish.

But there are good arguments to be made for tort reform, whether one agrees or not with a given plank.  Your argument that SueEasy is &quot;the most credible&quot; of a group including Avvo, or for that matter Class Advocate (with which I&#039;m not affiliated, but since you brought them into it) shreds itself.

Read the damned post.  Do you believe that a site which promises consumers &quot;instant legal bliss&quot; is credible?  No lawyer would.  Do you believe that a site which promises consumers that they can &quot;file&quot; or &quot;start&quot; their own class action online is credible?

I&#039;m almost utterly convinced you have some connection to SueEasy.  No knowledgeable person would call these misrepresentations credible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>According to that logic, one could imply that you are a paid, propoganda spewing stooge for the tort-reform lobby</p></blockquote>
<p>I wish.</p>
<p>But there are good arguments to be made for tort reform, whether one agrees or not with a given plank.  Your argument that SueEasy is "the most credible" of a group including Avvo, or for that matter Class Advocate (with which I'm not affiliated, but since you brought them into it) shreds itself.</p>
<p>Read the damned post.  Do you believe that a site which promises consumers "instant legal bliss" is credible?  No lawyer would.  Do you believe that a site which promises consumers that they can "file" or "start" their own class action online is credible?</p>
<p>I'm almost utterly convinced you have some connection to SueEasy.  No knowledgeable person would call these misrepresentations credible.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 15:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And let&#039;s take a specific example, &quot;John.&quot;

&lt;blockquote&gt;How do I file a Class Action Lawsuit?

1. Click on &#039;Start New Class Action&#039; on the main page.
2. Fill out the form with your case Title (be specific here as it helps identify the case and let others join it). Then add the detail and summary. Upload a picture if you want to.
3. Signup as a LITIGANT on the next page.

And you&#039;re done! If others are affected by the same bad product or service, a class action lawyer will take up your case in no time! You could be on your way to a settlement..&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Is it your position that text is not misleading to a non-lawyer?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And let's take a specific example, "John."</p>
<blockquote><p>How do I file a Class Action Lawsuit?</p>
<p>1. Click on 'Start New Class Action' on the main page.<br />
2. Fill out the form with your case Title (be specific here as it helps identify the case and let others join it). Then add the detail and summary. Upload a picture if you want to.<br />
3. Signup as a LITIGANT on the next page.</p>
<p>And you're done! If others are affected by the same bad product or service, a class action lawyer will take up your case in no time! You could be on your way to a settlement..</p></blockquote>
<p>Is it your position that text is not misleading to a non-lawyer?</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 15:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So -- it&#039;s a trade secret why consumers should trust SueEasy despite their messages being riddled with spelling and grammatical errors?  It&#039;s akin to theft of a secret formula to ask a company for hard data to support its claims?  

I thought tort reform opponents were supposed to be consumer advocates.  Apparently I&#039;m in SueEasy&#039;s targeted consumer group, since they spammed us.  Should consumers not ask tough questions about the veracity of marketing claims?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So &#8212; it's a trade secret why consumers should trust SueEasy despite their messages being riddled with spelling and grammatical errors?  It's akin to theft of a secret formula to ask a company for hard data to support its claims?  </p>
<p>I thought tort reform opponents were supposed to be consumer advocates.  Apparently I'm in SueEasy's targeted consumer group, since they spammed us.  Should consumers not ask tough questions about the veracity of marketing claims?</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 15:12:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I mentioned I am not affiliated with SueEasy and neither am I &quot;Greg Chase&quot;, but the questions you ask are ridiculous considering it&#039;s not a public company and sites such as Legalmatch, Avvo, or any legal match-making website would never answer. 

While you&#039;re at it why don&#039;t you ask colonel Harland Sanders for the recipe .. or break into the Coca-Cola vault and steal their formula?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I mentioned I am not affiliated with SueEasy and neither am I "Greg Chase", but the questions you ask are ridiculous considering it's not a public company and sites such as Legalmatch, Avvo, or any legal match-making website would never answer. </p>
<p>While you're at it why don't you ask colonel Harland Sanders for the recipe .. or break into the Coca-Cola vault and steal their formula?</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 14:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How interesting that you should cite the USLaw.com site, &quot;John.&quot;  We&#039;ve blogged about &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.popehat.com/2009/05/07/paulie-gatto-in-cyberspace/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;their issues before as well.&lt;/a&gt;  You don&#039;t go by &quot;Greg Chase,&quot; by any chance, do you, John?

You just have a soft spot for questionable lawyer marketing sites, huh?

So tell us, John:

1.  Why should consumers trust a site that makes representations that are misleading at best and fraudulent at worst, as detailed in this post and this comments thread?

2.  Why should consumers trust the legal acumen of a site riddled with grammatical and spelling errors?

3.  What percentage of people who submit a case to SueEasy get a call or email from a lawyer?

4.  What percentage of people who get a call from a lawyer see their complaint addressed through a lawsuit?

5.  What percentage of people who see a lawsuit get recovery over $20?

6.  Your tort reform citations suggest you are a foe of consumer fraud.  Can you explain why, based on the factors identified here, some lawyer should refrain from suing SueEasy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How interesting that you should cite the USLaw.com site, "John."  We've blogged about <a href="http://www.popehat.com/2009/05/07/paulie-gatto-in-cyberspace/" rel="nofollow">their issues before as well.</a>  You don't go by "Greg Chase," by any chance, do you, John?</p>
<p>You just have a soft spot for questionable lawyer marketing sites, huh?</p>
<p>So tell us, John:</p>
<p>1.  Why should consumers trust a site that makes representations that are misleading at best and fraudulent at worst, as detailed in this post and this comments thread?</p>
<p>2.  Why should consumers trust the legal acumen of a site riddled with grammatical and spelling errors?</p>
<p>3.  What percentage of people who submit a case to SueEasy get a call or email from a lawyer?</p>
<p>4.  What percentage of people who get a call from a lawyer see their complaint addressed through a lawsuit?</p>
<p>5.  What percentage of people who see a lawsuit get recovery over $20?</p>
<p>6.  Your tort reform citations suggest you are a foe of consumer fraud.  Can you explain why, based on the factors identified here, some lawyer should refrain from suing SueEasy?</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 14:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh and we all know the hidden agendas, tort reform advocates usually carry (http://www.peopleoverprofits.org/site/c.ntJWJ8MPIqE/b.2229559/k.BF8D/Home.htm; http://www.democracynow.org/2005/2/4/tort_reform_the_big_payoff_for; http://www.uslaw.com/library/Personal_Injury_Law/Part_IV_Tort_Reform_Pork_Reform_Madoffs_lawyers.php?item=511698)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh and we all know the hidden agendas, tort reform advocates usually carry (<a href="http://www.peopleoverprofits.org/site/c.ntJWJ8MPIqE/b.2229559/k.BF8D/Home.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.peopleoverprofits.org/site/c.ntJWJ8MPIqE/b.2229559/k.BF8D/Home.htm</a>; <a href="http://www.democracynow.org/2005/2/4/tort_reform_the_big_payoff_for" rel="nofollow">http://www.democracynow.org/2005/2/4/tort_reform_the_big_payoff_for</a>; <a href="http://www.uslaw.com/library/Personal_Injury_Law/Part_IV_Tort_Reform_Pork_Reform_Madoffs_lawyers.php?item=511698" rel="nofollow">http://www.uslaw.com/library/Personal_Injury_Law/Part_IV_Tort_Reform_Pork_Reform_Madoffs_lawyers.php?item=511698</a>)</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 14:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since when does expressing your opinion in a public forum make you a spokeperson?

According to that logic, one could imply that you are a paid, propoganda spewing stooge for the tort-reform lobby, or worse yet a paid stooge from a certain telecom corporation!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since when does expressing your opinion in a public forum make you a spokeperson?</p>
<p>According to that logic, one could imply that you are a paid, propoganda spewing stooge for the tort-reform lobby, or worse yet a paid stooge from a certain telecom corporation!</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 12:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>George we&#039;re a non-commercial site and ordinarily don&#039;t allow commenters to link to commercial sites (unless we really like them), but since John the SueEasy proxy mentioned you, it only seemed fair to let you respond.

I will add that having reviewed your site, I disagree with John the SueEasy proxy&#039;s credibility evaluations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George we're a non-commercial site and ordinarily don't allow commenters to link to commercial sites (unless we really like them), but since John the SueEasy proxy mentioned you, it only seemed fair to let you respond.</p>
<p>I will add that having reviewed your site, I disagree with John the SueEasy proxy's credibility evaluations.</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
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		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 11:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My company aggregates class action lawsuits and investigations into one searchable repository.  The URL is www.classadvocate.com.   We were mentioned in a previous comment as being less &quot;credible&quot; than SueEasy.  Here are a few points in our defense:

1.  We tell the public exactly who we are.  We do not hide.
2.  Nowhere on our site do we use hyperbole or fluff.  We never claim that a consumer can “start” her own class action by submitting a post to our site.  In fact we do not even allow a person to post a complaint at all.
3.  We do not sell leads (or even collect leads for that matter).
4.  Our service is 100% compliant with all ethical rules.  We make all proper disclosures.  We are not a lead generation company.  We do not refer matters.

One premise behind ClassAdvocate is that by bringing together thousands of class action lawsuits and investigations into one searchable repository, consumers can better understand their rights.  We are not aware of any other source where a consumer can click on “Countrywide” and pull up a range of pending class action lawsuits against that lender.  Or where a “Nurse” can find a range of class actions where a nurse is a plaintiff.  Or where someone can type in “early termination fees” and pull up class actions across all industries where early termination fees are being litigated.  Or where a user can type in “Madoff” or “Ponzi scheme” and find a range of actions against Madoff specifically or ponzi schemes more broadly.

We think we are developing a useful and informative site that contains unique content and might actually help people.  I invite all to review our site and comment.  We have thick skin so let it fly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My company aggregates class action lawsuits and investigations into one searchable repository.  The URL is <a href="http://www.classadvocate.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.classadvocate.com</a>.   We were mentioned in a previous comment as being less "credible" than SueEasy.  Here are a few points in our defense:</p>
<p>1.  We tell the public exactly who we are.  We do not hide.<br />
2.  Nowhere on our site do we use hyperbole or fluff.  We never claim that a consumer can “start” her own class action by submitting a post to our site.  In fact we do not even allow a person to post a complaint at all.<br />
3.  We do not sell leads (or even collect leads for that matter).<br />
4.  Our service is 100% compliant with all ethical rules.  We make all proper disclosures.  We are not a lead generation company.  We do not refer matters.</p>
<p>One premise behind ClassAdvocate is that by bringing together thousands of class action lawsuits and investigations into one searchable repository, consumers can better understand their rights.  We are not aware of any other source where a consumer can click on “Countrywide” and pull up a range of pending class action lawsuits against that lender.  Or where a “Nurse” can find a range of class actions where a nurse is a plaintiff.  Or where someone can type in “early termination fees” and pull up class actions across all industries where early termination fees are being litigated.  Or where a user can type in “Madoff” or “Ponzi scheme” and find a range of actions against Madoff specifically or ponzi schemes more broadly.</p>
<p>We think we are developing a useful and informative site that contains unique content and might actually help people.  I invite all to review our site and comment.  We have thick skin so let it fly.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Jacobs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Jacobs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 09:45:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ken, why wait until Monday to make those calls?

I mean, if they might contact you over the weekend, why can&#039;t you contact them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken, why wait until Monday to make those calls?</p>
<p>I mean, if they might contact you over the weekend, why can't you contact them?</p>
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