Comments on: When I Grow Up, I Want To Be A Grownup http://www.popehat.com/2009/05/28/when-i-grow-up-i-want-to-be-a-grownup/ A Group Complaint about Law, Liberty, and Leisure Wed, 10 Mar 2010 04:58:32 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: R.C. http://www.popehat.com/2009/05/28/when-i-grow-up-i-want-to-be-a-grownup/comment-page-1/#comment-35513 R.C. Sat, 11 Jul 2009 23:45:52 +0000 http://www.popehat.com/?p=4367#comment-35513 Being a grownup should be a qualifying requirement for voting rights, and for holding any elective office or office of trust in the United States. And one should be required to pass the American citizenship test for naturalized citizens, to qualify for grownup status in the U.S. Being a grownup should be a qualifying requirement for voting rights, and for holding any elective office or office of trust in the United States.

And one should be required to pass the American citizenship test for naturalized citizens, to qualify for grownup status in the U.S.

]]> By: Rey http://www.popehat.com/2009/05/28/when-i-grow-up-i-want-to-be-a-grownup/comment-page-1/#comment-35500 Rey Sat, 11 Jul 2009 21:02:03 +0000 http://www.popehat.com/?p=4367#comment-35500 How about, citizens and residents. If you are a citizen you can vote, enter contracts, bypass nany state laws (drugs, cigarretes, CAFE standards, HOA rules, union requirements, etc) and serve in the political class. In order to become a citizen you have to serve 2 years in the military or police officer / firefighter / EMS, etc. You also have to pass a ctizenship test that includes civics, law, us history, governement, basic economics (balancing a checkbook to writting a bussiness plan and meeting payroll), reading comprehention, mathematics. If you are a resident you can not vote, or buy property (you can lease or rent but not own), you are subject to all the nany state regulations and you may not work in government is any function. You would be exempt from self responsibility, so you would be elegible for wealfare, unemployment, medicare, social security and a liberal arts education thru masters. You can not lobby the government as you are a subject equivalent to a teenager. You may work anywhere you wish except for socialy critical professions (doctors, nurses, police, lawyers, teachers, etc), unless you are building credits towards becoming a citizen. How about, citizens and residents. If you are a citizen you can vote, enter contracts, bypass nany state laws (drugs, cigarretes, CAFE standards, HOA rules, union requirements, etc) and serve in the political class. In order to become a citizen you have to serve 2 years in the military or police officer / firefighter / EMS, etc. You also have to pass a ctizenship test that includes civics, law, us history, governement, basic economics (balancing a checkbook to writting a bussiness plan and meeting payroll), reading comprehention, mathematics.
If you are a resident you can not vote, or buy property (you can lease or rent but not own), you are subject to all the nany state regulations and you may not work in government is any function. You would be exempt from self responsibility, so you would be elegible for wealfare, unemployment, medicare, social security and a liberal arts education thru masters. You can not lobby the government as you are a subject equivalent to a teenager. You may work anywhere you wish except for socialy critical professions (doctors, nurses, police, lawyers, teachers, etc), unless you are building credits towards becoming a citizen.

]]> By: hist_ed http://www.popehat.com/2009/05/28/when-i-grow-up-i-want-to-be-a-grownup/comment-page-1/#comment-35345 hist_ed Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:04:52 +0000 http://www.popehat.com/?p=4367#comment-35345 "BTW, grownups wouldn’t use or share porn, wouldn’t see much benefit to having a higher credit score because they wouldn’t need to borrow money." Grownups wouldn't judge others' sex lives. Grownups also would understand the benefits of market based capitalism. “BTW, grownups wouldn’t use or share porn, wouldn’t see much benefit to having a higher credit score because they wouldn’t need to borrow money.”

Grownups wouldn’t judge others’ sex lives. Grownups also would understand the benefits of market based capitalism.

]]> By: Tom Lawrence http://www.popehat.com/2009/05/28/when-i-grow-up-i-want-to-be-a-grownup/comment-page-1/#comment-32225 Tom Lawrence Wed, 10 Jun 2009 23:59:25 +0000 http://www.popehat.com/?p=4367#comment-32225 Okay, all good. If I were to take my amused coment anywhere, it would probably be in a slippery-slope type direction about whether some government intervention leads inevitably to more until we're being asked to report on other people's dustbin contents. But I'm not sure that a desperately useful place to take it. There are other, nicer places. Okay, all good.

If I were to take my amused coment anywhere, it would probably be in a slippery-slope type direction about whether some government intervention leads inevitably to more until we’re being asked to report on other people’s dustbin contents.

But I’m not sure that a desperately useful place to take it. There are other, nicer places.

]]> By: Patrick http://www.popehat.com/2009/05/28/when-i-grow-up-i-want-to-be-a-grownup/comment-page-1/#comment-32222 Patrick Wed, 10 Jun 2009 22:18:32 +0000 http://www.popehat.com/?p=4367#comment-32222 Hardly Tom. You're one of our most valued commenters, and I know Ken agrees. Because I've had difficulties with getting people to understand me through the medium, I'll add that I say that without irony or sarcasm. Ken's observation, though, is a good one. Looking at the comment thread in question as cited by Ken, one wouldn't know I'm a libertarian or that I believe firmly in freedom of contract. Ken's comment was aimed at me, not at you. We do that from time to time. We use comments from non-authors to sling benevolent stones at one another. We have inside jokes. Hardly Tom. You’re one of our most valued commenters, and I know Ken agrees. Because I’ve had difficulties with getting people to understand me through the medium, I’ll add that I say that without irony or sarcasm.

Ken’s observation, though, is a good one. Looking at the comment thread in question as cited by Ken, one wouldn’t know I’m a libertarian or that I believe firmly in freedom of contract.

Ken’s comment was aimed at me, not at you. We do that from time to time. We use comments from non-authors to sling benevolent stones at one another. We have inside jokes.

]]> By: Ken http://www.popehat.com/2009/05/28/when-i-grow-up-i-want-to-be-a-grownup/comment-page-1/#comment-32220 Ken Wed, 10 Jun 2009 22:14:23 +0000 http://www.popehat.com/?p=4367#comment-32220 <blockquote>Ken: The movie was clever? Try watching it with Verhoeven’s voiceover–that should disabuse you. The movie was, according to Verhoeven’s own words (sure, I know, what does he know about it?), intended to show that “War makes fascists of us all.” Full stop. Not clever at all. A polemical bludgeon. </blockquote> I am forced to admit, humbly, that I have never watched Starship Troopers with the director's commentary turned on.

Ken: The movie was clever? Try watching it with Verhoeven’s voiceover–that should disabuse you. The movie was, according to Verhoeven’s own words (sure, I know, what does he know about it?), intended to show that “War makes fascists of us all.” Full stop. Not clever at all. A polemical bludgeon.

I am forced to admit, humbly, that I have never watched Starship Troopers with the director’s commentary turned on.

]]> By: Ken http://www.popehat.com/2009/05/28/when-i-grow-up-i-want-to-be-a-grownup/comment-page-1/#comment-32219 Ken Wed, 10 Jun 2009 22:13:14 +0000 http://www.popehat.com/?p=4367#comment-32219 No, no. Though I wasn't sure which way you were going with that, that was no telling off. If you are told off, Patrick shouts and swears a lot and I get oddly sweaty. No, no. Though I wasn’t sure which way you were going with that, that was no telling off. If you are told off, Patrick shouts and swears a lot and I get oddly sweaty.

]]> By: Tom Lawrence http://www.popehat.com/2009/05/28/when-i-grow-up-i-want-to-be-a-grownup/comment-page-1/#comment-32218 Tom Lawrence Wed, 10 Jun 2009 22:11:48 +0000 http://www.popehat.com/?p=4367#comment-32218 Odd, I feel as if I've been told off, when I was just trying to make an amused observation rather than an actual complaint of any sort. Did I do something wrong? Odd, I feel as if I’ve been told off, when I was just trying to make an amused observation rather than an actual complaint of any sort.

Did I do something wrong?

]]> By: Ken http://www.popehat.com/2009/05/28/when-i-grow-up-i-want-to-be-a-grownup/comment-page-1/#comment-32191 Ken Wed, 10 Jun 2009 17:12:03 +0000 http://www.popehat.com/?p=4367#comment-32191 Well, Tom, that sort of thing is bound to happen. Naturally people commenting here don't agree with everything I say just because they comment, and I don't agree with everything they say just because they comment here. For an example of disagreement on some of these "grown-up" principles, check out the argument in the comments of Patrick's recent post about HOA regulations, <a href="http://www.popehat.com/2009/06/04/homeowners-association-boards-the-last-refuge-of-the-scoundrel/" rel="nofollow">here.</a> Well, Tom, that sort of thing is bound to happen. Naturally people commenting here don’t agree with everything I say just because they comment, and I don’t agree with everything they say just because they comment here.

For an example of disagreement on some of these “grown-up” principles, check out the argument in the comments of Patrick’s recent post about HOA regulations, here.

]]> By: Tom Lawrence http://www.popehat.com/2009/05/28/when-i-grow-up-i-want-to-be-a-grownup/comment-page-1/#comment-32190 Tom Lawrence Wed, 10 Jun 2009 17:08:38 +0000 http://www.popehat.com/?p=4367#comment-32190 It's kind of entertaining how this comment thread started out from an amusing vaguely libertarian idea and devolved from there into a eugenic authoritarian nightmare. It’s kind of entertaining how this comment thread started out from an amusing vaguely libertarian idea and devolved from there into a eugenic authoritarian nightmare.

]]> By: Michael M. Butler http://www.popehat.com/2009/05/28/when-i-grow-up-i-want-to-be-a-grownup/comment-page-1/#comment-32179 Michael M. Butler Wed, 10 Jun 2009 07:33:39 +0000 http://www.popehat.com/?p=4367#comment-32179 Ken: The movie was clever? Try watching it with Verhoeven's voiceover--that should disabuse you. The movie was, according to Verhoeven's own words (sure, I know, what does he know about it?), intended to show that "War makes fascists of us all." Full stop. Not clever at all. A polemical bludgeon. Ken: The movie was clever? Try watching it with Verhoeven’s voiceover–that should disabuse you. The movie was, according to Verhoeven’s own words (sure, I know, what does he know about it?), intended to show that “War makes fascists of us all.” Full stop. Not clever at all. A polemical bludgeon.

]]> By: bw http://www.popehat.com/2009/05/28/when-i-grow-up-i-want-to-be-a-grownup/comment-page-1/#comment-31913 bw Sat, 06 Jun 2009 00:32:19 +0000 http://www.popehat.com/?p=4367#comment-31913 I came up with a similar idea, except the benefits side is much stronger and there's a barrier to entry component to make sure grownups are qualified for the designation. One would need to pass MY high school graduation exam in order to: drink or use drugs drive vote own guns breed The exam would require one to: -Diagram sentences -Demonstrate comprehension of literature, the setting of which is removed from one's personal experience by at least 1 continent and 2 centuries. -Demonstrate numerancy to the level of trigonometry -Demonstrate cause and effect understanding of at least 5 major historical events separated by intervals of at least a century each. -Demonstrate qualitative and quantitative competence in 2 or more natural sciences -Demonstrate understanding of the Constitution, separation of powers and the roles of the three branches, the differences between a democracy and a republic, both sides of the federalism debate, how a bill becomes a law, and how our system differs from a parliamentary one. -Demonstrate knowledge about nutrition, infection control, the difference between bacterial and viral infections, the difference between pain, inflammation, and infection, how to take a temperature, and basic first aid (this one would do a lot to curb healthcare costs) -Understand the basic underpinnings of capitalism, including the relationship of supply and demand to price. I came up with a similar idea, except the benefits side is much stronger and there’s a barrier to entry component to make sure grownups are qualified for the designation.

One would need to pass MY high school graduation exam in order to:

drink or use drugs
drive
vote
own guns
breed

The exam would require one to:

-Diagram sentences
-Demonstrate comprehension of literature, the setting of which is removed from one’s personal experience by at least 1 continent and 2 centuries.
-Demonstrate numerancy to the level of trigonometry
-Demonstrate cause and effect understanding of at least 5 major historical events separated by intervals of at least a century each.
-Demonstrate qualitative and quantitative competence in 2 or more natural sciences
-Demonstrate understanding of the Constitution, separation of powers and the roles of the three branches, the differences between a democracy and a republic, both sides of the federalism debate, how a bill becomes a law, and how our system differs from a parliamentary one.
-Demonstrate knowledge about nutrition, infection control, the difference between bacterial and viral infections, the difference between pain, inflammation, and infection, how to take a temperature, and basic first aid (this one would do a lot to curb healthcare costs)
-Understand the basic underpinnings of capitalism, including the relationship of supply and demand to price.

]]> By: anonymouse http://www.popehat.com/2009/05/28/when-i-grow-up-i-want-to-be-a-grownup/comment-page-1/#comment-31887 anonymouse Fri, 05 Jun 2009 16:41:57 +0000 http://www.popehat.com/?p=4367#comment-31887 Back to procreation. That's where the real benefit would come in. Only grownups should be allowed to raise children. So, to follow on the sci-fi theme, all lesser adults would be chemically spayed or neutered until such time as they are approved for full adulthood. BTW, grownups wouldn't use or share porn, wouldn't see much benefit to having a higher credit score because they wouldn't need to borrow money. Also, they wouldn't need to conceal their weapons. Back to procreation. That’s where the real benefit would come in. Only grownups should be allowed to raise children. So, to follow on the sci-fi theme, all lesser adults would be chemically spayed or neutered until such time as they are approved for full adulthood. BTW, grownups wouldn’t use or share porn, wouldn’t see much benefit to having a higher credit score because they wouldn’t need to borrow money. Also, they wouldn’t need to conceal their weapons.

]]> By: tmitsss http://www.popehat.com/2009/05/28/when-i-grow-up-i-want-to-be-a-grownup/comment-page-1/#comment-31883 tmitsss Fri, 05 Jun 2009 13:55:22 +0000 http://www.popehat.com/?p=4367#comment-31883 Grownup will be presumed to know what they are eating, and exempt from nagging by Government Nannys. Question can Grownups get divorced? Can they ask for alimony? Grownup will be presumed to know what they are eating, and exempt from nagging by Government Nannys.

Question can Grownups get divorced? Can they ask for alimony?

]]> By: June 5 roundup http://www.popehat.com/2009/05/28/when-i-grow-up-i-want-to-be-a-grownup/comment-page-1/#comment-31867 June 5 roundup Fri, 05 Jun 2009 04:04:13 +0000 http://www.popehat.com/?p=4367#comment-31867 [...] “Adult” won’t cut it any more, we need a new legal category, more responsible, of “grownup” [Ken at Popehat] [...]

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