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	<title>Comments on: Teachers Win the Immunity Challenge</title>
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	<description>A Group Complaint about Law, Liberty, and Leisure</description>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 17:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t blame him Brian.  Jacob admits his education was pathetic, negligent, and incompetent, so it&#039;s likely he never received instruction in good manners.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn't blame him Brian.  Jacob admits his education was pathetic, negligent, and incompetent, so it's likely he never received instruction in good manners.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Dunbar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Dunbar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 15:45:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Brian Dumbar you have a fitting last name.&lt;/i&gt;

And you, Jacob, are a boor.  I think.  What are you talking about?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Brian Dumbar you have a fitting last name.</i></p>
<p>And you, Jacob, are a boor.  I think.  What are you talking about?</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
		<link>http://www.popehat.com/2009/05/04/teachers-win-the-immunity-challenge/comment-page-1/#comment-59915</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 14:30:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian Dumbar you have a fitting last name.

Teachers make more than most small business owners...not to mention the plan that all government employees get in California: 
Work ten years, collect pension for thirty.

Aren&#039;t there any math teachers who can give us an equation which proves that those of us who aren&#039;t lazy and worthless can&#039;t pay for 80% of the population to work a third of their lives and collect taxpayer money the other two thirds??

Farmers and many others have jobs that might actually hurt them physically, provide a service that is even more fundamental than education and, believe it or not, WORK THEIR WHOLE LIVES!! 
I was forced through the misery that is the California educational system during its most pathetic, negligent and incompetent years so I know first hand what these bitter parasites are capable of!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian Dumbar you have a fitting last name.</p>
<p>Teachers make more than most small business owners&#8230;not to mention the plan that all government employees get in California:<br />
Work ten years, collect pension for thirty.</p>
<p>Aren't there any math teachers who can give us an equation which proves that those of us who aren't lazy and worthless can't pay for 80% of the population to work a third of their lives and collect taxpayer money the other two thirds??</p>
<p>Farmers and many others have jobs that might actually hurt them physically, provide a service that is even more fundamental than education and, believe it or not, WORK THEIR WHOLE LIVES!!<br />
I was forced through the misery that is the California educational system during its most pathetic, negligent and incompetent years so I know first hand what these bitter parasites are capable of!</p>
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		<title>By: Teacher tenure: &#8220;Failure gets a pass&#8221;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Teacher tenure: &#8220;Failure gets a pass&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 20:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] teaching. One underlying problem: &#8220;Kids don&#8217;t have a union.&#8221; Bloggers react: Ken @ Popehat, Mickey Kaus, Amy Alkon, Brian Doherty. Meanwhile, reports Seyward Darby in the New Republic (via [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] teaching. One underlying problem: "Kids don't have a union." Bloggers react: Ken @ Popehat, Mickey Kaus, Amy Alkon, Brian Doherty. Meanwhile, reports Seyward Darby in the New Republic (via [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 13:48:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On a tangent - I think this is exactly why the software industry is so resistant to unions.  With a few notable exceptions, unions seem to have &quot;keep existing union members in their current jobs&quot; as priority #1, and this becomes exceeding problematic in a field where there&#039;s both an enormous range of productivity and a lot of difficulty in interviewing/hiring.

But, yeah, I think most schools in this country could benefit from firing 10% of their teachers and replacing them with someone else.  I&#039;d also be surprised if most administrators and students couldn&#039;t tell you who those people are with a fairly high degree of agreement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On a tangent &#8211; I think this is exactly why the software industry is so resistant to unions.  With a few notable exceptions, unions seem to have "keep existing union members in their current jobs" as priority #1, and this becomes exceeding problematic in a field where there's both an enormous range of productivity and a lot of difficulty in interviewing/hiring.</p>
<p>But, yeah, I think most schools in this country could benefit from firing 10% of their teachers and replacing them with someone else.  I'd also be surprised if most administrators and students couldn't tell you who those people are with a fairly high degree of agreement.</p>
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		<title>By: Professor Coldheart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Professor Coldheart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 13:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Eventually he died in a coke-fueled car crash, which was beyond the unions’ ability to excuse.

Confronted with the problem, school district lawyers and administrators suggested to my mother that she put him in a class with ESL students&lt;/i&gt;

So, wait, he was put in charge of an ESL class after he died in a car crash?  I know they take tenure seriously, but damn!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Eventually he died in a coke-fueled car crash, which was beyond the unions’ ability to excuse.</p>
<p>Confronted with the problem, school district lawyers and administrators suggested to my mother that she put him in a class with ESL students</i></p>
<p>So, wait, he was put in charge of an ESL class after he died in a car crash?  I know they take tenure seriously, but damn!</p>
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		<title>By: Mark McCoy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark McCoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 19:41:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was in high school, there was a certain older teacher who everyone knew to be completely unaware of events around her.  People came and went as they pleased, played poker in the back, listened to their iPods, and made rude comments on the extremely rare occasion it was noticed.  There was a service hatch to the underground access tunnel, and people used to pull back the carpet, lift the heavy grate, and climb down to explore and smoke weed.  All during class.  She observed a friend of mine appear out of the floor once, to no result.  She left the grading program open, because she didn&#039;t know how to use it, and asked students to transpose their own grades.  Extremely predictable result - the only people who didn&#039;t get a 4.0 were those who never showed up at all.

My contribution was to dice and read the Wall Street Journal (and yes, I know I&#039;m an asshole for letting this all go on).  She was eventually diagnosed with dementia of some kind and retired.

A year after I graduated.

This is clearly not an example of a teacher who needed to be fired for cause; however, it shows exactly how little accountability there is in some public schools.  Everybody knew about this, but the handful of people who said something to other teachers were told they were being disrespectful.

Oh, well.  At least I got an A+ in English.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was in high school, there was a certain older teacher who everyone knew to be completely unaware of events around her.  People came and went as they pleased, played poker in the back, listened to their iPods, and made rude comments on the extremely rare occasion it was noticed.  There was a service hatch to the underground access tunnel, and people used to pull back the carpet, lift the heavy grate, and climb down to explore and smoke weed.  All during class.  She observed a friend of mine appear out of the floor once, to no result.  She left the grading program open, because she didn't know how to use it, and asked students to transpose their own grades.  Extremely predictable result &#8211; the only people who didn't get a 4.0 were those who never showed up at all.</p>
<p>My contribution was to dice and read the Wall Street Journal (and yes, I know I'm an asshole for letting this all go on).  She was eventually diagnosed with dementia of some kind and retired.</p>
<p>A year after I graduated.</p>
<p>This is clearly not an example of a teacher who needed to be fired for cause; however, it shows exactly how little accountability there is in some public schools.  Everybody knew about this, but the handful of people who said something to other teachers were told they were being disrespectful.</p>
<p>Oh, well.  At least I got an A+ in English.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Dunbar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Dunbar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 18:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But to respond to your main point: a teacher in my wife&#039;s department was

a) dealing drugs to her students
b) sleeping with at least two of them.
c) and was, surprise, not a very good teacher.

b) and c) were common knowledge, a) was not proven but was understood to be happening.

The woman taught at that high school for four years.  Then she was traded to another school in exchange for, I guess, a teacher that had equally bad habits but would at least not have sex her his/her students during school hours.

Not fired.  Not arrested.  Traded like a baseball player.

I&#039;d have the details on the trade but that was the year my wife finally had enough of teaching in the public schools and traded up to a private school.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But to respond to your main point: a teacher in my wife's department was</p>
<p>a) dealing drugs to her students<br />
b) sleeping with at least two of them.<br />
c) and was, surprise, not a very good teacher.</p>
<p>b) and c) were common knowledge, a) was not proven but was understood to be happening.</p>
<p>The woman taught at that high school for four years.  Then she was traded to another school in exchange for, I guess, a teacher that had equally bad habits but would at least not have sex her his/her students during school hours.</p>
<p>Not fired.  Not arrested.  Traded like a baseball player.</p>
<p>I'd have the details on the trade but that was the year my wife finally had enough of teaching in the public schools and traded up to a private school.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Dunbar</title>
		<link>http://www.popehat.com/2009/05/04/teachers-win-the-immunity-challenge/comment-page-1/#comment-29129</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Dunbar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 18:29:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;a coke-addicted teacher lost his cool during class, spat on the floor, then knelt down and licked the spittle up &lt;/i&gt;

How can one afford enough coke to become that addled on a teacher&#039;s salary?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>a coke-addicted teacher lost his cool during class, spat on the floor, then knelt down and licked the spittle up </i></p>
<p>How can one afford enough coke to become that addled on a teacher's salary?</p>
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