Comments on: Andrew Speaker: Ass http://www.popehat.com/2009/04/30/andrew-speaker-ass/ A Group Complaint about Law, Liberty, and Leisure Thu, 09 Feb 2012 22:39:39 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: disgusted http://www.popehat.com/2009/04/30/andrew-speaker-ass/comment-page-1/#comment-35984 disgusted Thu, 16 Jul 2009 16:44:02 +0000 http://www.popehat.com/?p=4023#comment-35984 The gentleman doth protest too much, methinks. The gentleman doth protest too much, methinks.

]]> By: speedy http://www.popehat.com/2009/04/30/andrew-speaker-ass/comment-page-1/#comment-29189 speedy Tue, 05 May 2009 13:06:15 +0000 http://www.popehat.com/?p=4023#comment-29189 Yes, I am upset, Patrick. I have seen what this has done to a very nice family. As far as the facts go, they are the facts even if they were and continue to be reported wrong. As for the airplane being sealed: About ten years or so ago you used to be able to smoke on airplanes. When that no smoking sign went off the whole back of the plane would light up in unison. That is a lot of smoke. Now depending upon the last time the filters were changed in the recirc system, and the coalescer sock in the packs were replaced, the aircraft had no problem with all that smoke. Try walking into the smoking rooms in the concourses in Hartsfield Airport sometime. Large room with usually about 10 to 15 people in there smoking. It will gag you. Aircraft use outside air and the packs take in that air, compress it and force it into the cabin, hence pressurization. The outflow valve modulates to keep the cabin pressure at a comfortable level but rest assured it is always open to some degree and that is a lot of air blowing out of it. If that outflow valve didn't open and release huge amounts of air the aircraft would overpressurize. That is why they have positive and negative pressure relief vales built into the aircraft. Just in cast that actually happens. That coupled with rather large cabin recirc fans which filter the cabin air through HEPA filters is how they handled all those smokers. I will say it again, the rate of air being changed in a modern aircraft is far greater than any home or office building. Some genius just pulled the whole "aircraft being a closed air environment" thing out of their butt. Sure, if you don't know how they operate you might think so, the problem is most people have no clue. You now know more about cabin pressurization than 99.9 percent of the public. Yes, I am upset, Patrick. I have seen what this has done to a very nice family. As far as the facts go, they are the facts even if they were and continue to be reported wrong.
As for the airplane being sealed: About ten years or so ago you used to be able to smoke on airplanes. When that no smoking sign went off the whole back of the plane would light up in unison. That is a lot of smoke. Now depending upon the last time the filters were changed in the recirc system, and the coalescer sock in the packs were replaced, the aircraft had no problem with all that smoke. Try walking into the smoking rooms in the concourses in Hartsfield Airport sometime. Large room with usually about 10 to 15 people in there smoking. It will gag you.
Aircraft use outside air and the packs take in that air, compress it and force it into the cabin, hence pressurization. The outflow valve modulates to keep the cabin pressure at a comfortable level but rest assured it is always open to some degree and that is a lot of air blowing out of it. If that outflow valve didn't open and release huge amounts of air the aircraft would overpressurize. That is why they have positive and negative pressure relief vales built into the aircraft. Just in cast that actually happens. That coupled with rather large cabin recirc fans which filter the cabin air through HEPA filters is how they handled all those smokers. I will say it again, the rate of air being changed in a modern aircraft is far greater than any home or office building. Some genius just pulled the whole "aircraft being a closed air environment" thing out of their butt. Sure, if you don't know how they operate you might think so, the problem is most people have no clue. You now know more about cabin pressurization than 99.9 percent of the public.

]]> By: Patrick http://www.popehat.com/2009/04/30/andrew-speaker-ass/comment-page-1/#comment-29140 Patrick Mon, 04 May 2009 20:36:35 +0000 http://www.popehat.com/?p=4023#comment-29140 Look Dave, I can see you're really upset about this. I honestly think you ought to sit down calmly, take a stress pill, and think things over. Look Dave, I can see you're really upset about this. I honestly think you ought to sit down calmly, take a stress pill, and think things over.

]]> By: speedy http://www.popehat.com/2009/04/30/andrew-speaker-ass/comment-page-1/#comment-29139 speedy Mon, 04 May 2009 19:50:34 +0000 http://www.popehat.com/?p=4023#comment-29139 Oh and by the way Patrick, When you go on here talking like you know about TB and how easily it is spread, I would like to know your background. Apparently Speakers father-in-law doesn't hold high enough of an Phd to go against yours. He was also one of the lead researchers for Tuberculosis at the CDC. Speaker was NEVER contagious. Not only did the CDC tell him so but so did his fater-in-law. Do you honestly think that Bob Cooksey (father in law) would let his grandaughter and daughter live in the same house as him? Get real and get a grip. Uggh, I'm done. You're right, you are the man, let us all bow down to your opinion, however wrong it is. Oh and by the way Patrick, When you go on here talking like you know about TB and how easily it is spread, I would like to know your background. Apparently Speakers father-in-law doesn't hold high enough of an Phd to go against yours. He was also one of the lead researchers for Tuberculosis at the CDC. Speaker was NEVER contagious. Not only did the CDC tell him so but so did his fater-in-law. Do you honestly think that Bob Cooksey (father in law) would let his grandaughter and daughter live in the same house as him? Get real and get a grip. Uggh, I'm done. You're right, you are the man, let us all bow down to your opinion, however wrong it is.

]]> By: speedy http://www.popehat.com/2009/04/30/andrew-speaker-ass/comment-page-1/#comment-29137 speedy Mon, 04 May 2009 19:41:03 +0000 http://www.popehat.com/?p=4023#comment-29137 I won't say it because I am not Andrew. My name is David. You obviously know nothing about airplanes. They are not vacuum sealed. Ever heard of an outflow valve? The only time that is closed is when they are ditching. Aircraft are pressurized by air cycle machines or packs and the air is changed AND recirculated constantly. I am not an attorney but I do hold an Federal Airframe and Powerplant license and that makes me a little bit more knowedgeable than you on that subject. Do you really think that Andrew doesn't know anyone or indeed that only he would be on here? Again, the CDC told him he was not contagious WHILE HE WAS IN ITALY. The pilots on the flight to Denver (DURING THE QUARANTINE)were not wearing masks by all accounts (heresay because I wasn't actually on the flights). Why not? Look, your mind is made up and nothing I or anyone else can say will change your mind. I was reading about your site here and it claims you all are a bunch of anarchists etc. Laughable. You believe everything the media doles out. Say Baaaaaaaah. Sheeple. You can go on here blasting Andrew and myself all you want. It is easier and doesn't require critical thought. Have a good day. I won't say it because I am not Andrew. My name is David. You obviously know nothing about airplanes. They are not vacuum sealed. Ever heard of an outflow valve? The only time that is closed is when they are ditching. Aircraft are pressurized by air cycle machines or packs and the air is changed AND recirculated constantly. I am not an attorney but I do hold an Federal Airframe and Powerplant license and that makes me a little bit more knowedgeable than you on that subject. Do you really think that Andrew doesn't know anyone or indeed that only he would be on here? Again, the CDC told him he was not contagious WHILE HE WAS IN ITALY. The pilots on the flight to Denver (DURING THE QUARANTINE)were not wearing masks by all accounts (heresay because I wasn't actually on the flights). Why not? Look, your mind is made up and nothing I or anyone else can say will change your mind. I was reading about your site here and it claims you all are a bunch of anarchists etc. Laughable. You believe everything the media doles out. Say Baaaaaaaah. Sheeple. You can go on here blasting Andrew and myself all you want. It is easier and doesn't require critical thought. Have a good day.

]]> By: Patrick http://www.popehat.com/2009/04/30/andrew-speaker-ass/comment-page-1/#comment-29128 Patrick Mon, 04 May 2009 18:12:26 +0000 http://www.popehat.com/?p=4023#comment-29128 Speedy, the man twice boarded a packed tube of recirculated, vacuum-sealed air with dozens of other passengers, knowing he had a perhaps fatal, easily airborne transmissible illness. Without telling the airline or the other passengers. I can't imagine anything you could say that will change my opinion of that. You're not that good an advocate. I am also quite convinced, now, that you're Andrew Speaker. Why not come out and say it? Speedy, the man twice boarded a packed tube of recirculated, vacuum-sealed air with dozens of other passengers, knowing he had a perhaps fatal, easily airborne transmissible illness. Without telling the airline or the other passengers.

I can't imagine anything you could say that will change my opinion of that. You're not that good an advocate.

I am also quite convinced, now, that you're Andrew Speaker. Why not come out and say it?

]]> By: speedy http://www.popehat.com/2009/04/30/andrew-speaker-ass/comment-page-1/#comment-29109 speedy Mon, 04 May 2009 13:06:05 +0000 http://www.popehat.com/?p=4023#comment-29109 Like you said Patrick, it won't change your mind as it is apparently set in stone. Yes, I know too well that the article you reposted is from the AP. It is also seriously wrong on most of the facts. The reporters name is Greg Bluestein (Hope that spelling is right). After talking on the phone with Mr. Speaker that same AP reporter reposted the article with corrections to some of the mistakes, but not all. That corrected story was not widely distributed. And why would it be? Most people, including yourself, don't care about facts much less if the reporting is accurate. Just look at the media frenzy over Swine Flu. You heard a few sound bites and some edited videos and made up your mind. Yeah we get it. As for Speaker doing an interview with you that is up to him. As for you getting tired of my posts, I'm sure, they are detailed and not pre-packaged into little snippets. Sorry I bored you but the facts are usually not easily explained in a single paragraph and as we all know, peoples attention span nowadays is short to say the least. A confused mind always says, "no." That is why I apparently waste my time trying to explain the issue. Some will get it, some won't. Have a good day, Patrick. Like you said Patrick, it won't change your mind as it is apparently set in stone. Yes, I know too well that the article you reposted is from the AP. It is also seriously wrong on most of the facts. The reporters name is Greg Bluestein (Hope that spelling is right). After talking on the phone with Mr. Speaker that same AP reporter reposted the article with corrections to some of the mistakes, but not all. That corrected story was not widely distributed. And why would it be? Most people, including yourself, don't care about facts much less if the reporting is accurate. Just look at the media frenzy over Swine Flu. You heard a few sound bites and some edited videos and made up your mind. Yeah we get it. As for Speaker doing an interview with you that is up to him. As for you getting tired of my posts, I'm sure, they are detailed and not pre-packaged into little snippets. Sorry I bored you but the facts are usually not easily explained in a single paragraph and as we all know, peoples attention span nowadays is short to say the least. A confused mind always says, "no." That is why I apparently waste my time trying to explain the issue. Some will get it, some won't. Have a good day, Patrick.

]]> By: Patrick http://www.popehat.com/2009/04/30/andrew-speaker-ass/comment-page-1/#comment-28878 Patrick Fri, 01 May 2009 22:07:12 +0000 http://www.popehat.com/?p=4023#comment-28878 Speedy, 60% of this story is my own commentary, and about 40% is from the AP story, reproduced here solely to provide context for those who might not remember. I will let you know that I'm not a fan of Speaker's (I suppose you can guess that, though apparently you can't read my name because you're posting so furiously from site to site), based on what I've read. Nothing you've written has changed my opinion, but you're just a proxy, some guy with an Atlanta IP address. If you know Speaker, as you say you do, we'd be happy to host any comments he might be willing to write for himself. He was willing to have a masked interview with Diane Sawyer. We'd be happy to interview him, sans mask. As for you, I'm getting tired. Speedy, 60% of this story is my own commentary, and about 40% is from the AP story, reproduced here solely to provide context for those who might not remember. I will let you know that I'm not a fan of Speaker's (I suppose you can guess that, though apparently you can't read my name because you're posting so furiously from site to site), based on what I've read. Nothing you've written has changed my opinion, but you're just a proxy, some guy with an Atlanta IP address.

If you know Speaker, as you say you do, we'd be happy to host any comments he might be willing to write for himself. He was willing to have a masked interview with Diane Sawyer. We'd be happy to interview him, sans mask.

As for you, I'm getting tired.

]]> By: Speedy http://www.popehat.com/2009/04/30/andrew-speaker-ass/comment-page-1/#comment-28876 Speedy Fri, 01 May 2009 21:56:02 +0000 http://www.popehat.com/?p=4023#comment-28876 Again to the author of this blog. You pasted this story from the AP or Associated Press. The story is wrong. The writer himself even did a repost but it wasn't picked up by most outlets. The statement that doctors originally thought he had the more severe form is flat wrong. They knew he had the less severe form and the CDC's fund raising effort said Speaker had the more severe XDR, which, he did not. There are other errors but I'm sure bringing them out won't change anyones mind. It is called the mob mentality. Again to the author of this blog. You pasted this story from the AP or Associated Press. The story is wrong. The writer himself even did a repost but it wasn't picked up by most outlets. The statement that doctors originally thought he had the more severe form is flat wrong. They knew he had the less severe form and the CDC's fund raising effort said Speaker had the more severe XDR, which, he did not. There are other errors but I'm sure bringing them out won't change anyones mind. It is called the mob mentality.

]]> By: Speedy http://www.popehat.com/2009/04/30/andrew-speaker-ass/comment-page-1/#comment-28874 Speedy Fri, 01 May 2009 21:38:21 +0000 http://www.popehat.com/?p=4023#comment-28874 To the author of this blog. Nice post about making sure everyone gets on the gravy train. Only problem with that is Speaker was portrayed by the media as a rich man with a lavish Honeymoon. What a joke. They got married on the patio of a small Greek restaurant and then went inside and had a simple dinner for 10. They spent the money other couples would have spent on flowers, receptions etc. on airline tickets and hotels. They lost all of that money (I'm sure that brightens your day). Speaker is not wealthy but the media sure painted him that way. Any hope of a future that would earn wealth was destroyed by the CDC and their media campaign. Apparently Canadian law says there doesn't have to be damages, just a, "He scared us. " And I thought our legal system was litigious. To the author of this blog. Nice post about making sure everyone gets on the gravy train. Only problem with that is Speaker was portrayed by the media as a rich man with a lavish Honeymoon. What a joke. They got married on the patio of a small Greek restaurant and then went inside and had a simple dinner for 10. They spent the money other couples would have spent on flowers, receptions etc. on airline tickets and hotels. They lost all of that money (I'm sure that brightens your day). Speaker is not wealthy but the media sure painted him that way. Any hope of a future that would earn wealth was destroyed by the CDC and their media campaign. Apparently Canadian law says there doesn't have to be damages, just a, "He scared us. " And I thought our legal system was litigious.

]]> By: Speedy http://www.popehat.com/2009/04/30/andrew-speaker-ass/comment-page-1/#comment-28871 Speedy Fri, 01 May 2009 21:24:12 +0000 http://www.popehat.com/?p=4023#comment-28871 Last thing Kate, to answer your one question directly. The CDC did tell Speaker that a preliminary test may have shown XDR (a blatant impossible lie) but at no time did they tell Speaker he was contageous. In fact, Speaker asked if his status of being contageous had changed. The response from the CDC was,"No." That is when they told him and sarah to relax and go out for the evening and enjoy themselves before going to the Italian medical facility. I hope this clears up any questions you might have had. Last thing Kate, to answer your one question directly. The CDC did tell Speaker that a preliminary test may have shown XDR (a blatant impossible lie) but at no time did they tell Speaker he was contageous. In fact, Speaker asked if his status of being contageous had changed. The response from the CDC was,"No." That is when they told him and sarah to relax and go out for the evening and enjoy themselves before going to the Italian medical facility. I hope this clears up any questions you might have had.

]]> By: Speedy http://www.popehat.com/2009/04/30/andrew-speaker-ass/comment-page-1/#comment-28869 Speedy Fri, 01 May 2009 21:14:26 +0000 http://www.popehat.com/?p=4023#comment-28869 Kate, One of the things you won't hear the CDC talking about was the Robert Daniels case. You might recall that he was the (XDR-TB) case that ws locked up in an Arizona jail for months. (the CDC said he had XDR too but it turned out he only had MDR) He was transferred to National Jewish Hospital (in Denver) because of the publicity surrounding the Speaker case. Weeks after Speaker had left, Daniels left the hospital without permission and boarded a commercial flight back to Russia. Not only was he positive but he was coughing etc. and was indeed contageous, unlike Speaker. I don't recall the CDC making any announcements or holding any news conferences warning anyone about Daniels, who actually was a threat. Why is that? Well they already had their one billion in funding approved. If you can't see the writing on that wall then you are indeed myopic. Right now people are flying into our country who aren't citizens and they are carrying diseases like...Swine Flu. The CDC issues no restrictions. People are dying, fast. If you want to blame someone, blame the CDC's top officials for their corruption and lack of moral compass. Oh and by the way, my name is David for the record. Kate,
One of the things you won't hear the CDC talking about was the Robert Daniels case. You might recall that he was the (XDR-TB) case that ws locked up in an Arizona jail for months. (the CDC said he had XDR too but it turned out he only had MDR) He was transferred to National Jewish Hospital (in Denver) because of the publicity surrounding the Speaker case. Weeks after Speaker had left, Daniels left the hospital without permission and boarded a commercial flight back to Russia. Not only was he positive but he was coughing etc. and was indeed contageous, unlike Speaker. I don't recall the CDC making any announcements or holding any news conferences warning anyone about Daniels, who actually was a threat. Why is that? Well they already had their one billion in funding approved. If you can't see the writing on that wall then you are indeed myopic. Right now people are flying into our country who aren't citizens and they are carrying diseases like…Swine Flu. The CDC issues no restrictions. People are dying, fast. If you want to blame someone, blame the CDC's top officials for their corruption and lack of moral compass. Oh and by the way, my name is David for the record.

]]> By: Speedy http://www.popehat.com/2009/04/30/andrew-speaker-ass/comment-page-1/#comment-28866 Speedy Fri, 01 May 2009 20:56:00 +0000 http://www.popehat.com/?p=4023#comment-28866 Kate, As for sneaking back into the U.S. You got that from the media. He and Sarah didn't sneak back in. They showed their passports just like anyone else. As soon as they got here they called the CDC who told them to go to Bellvue the next day. Again, why the delay? The CDC apparently had no problem with Speaker walking around Italy, going to restaurants etc. Nor did they have a problem with him doing the same in New York. Now why is that? Why wasn't he arrested and taken into custody? What the CDC went on camera and said they did and what they actually did are two very different things. You have your mind made up it would seem. That is ok. Most people believe whatever the media feeds them and take it as the gospel. Kate,
As for sneaking back into the U.S. You got that from the media. He and Sarah didn't sneak back in. They showed their passports just like anyone else. As soon as they got here they called the CDC who told them to go to Bellvue the next day. Again, why the delay? The CDC apparently had no problem with Speaker walking around Italy, going to restaurants etc. Nor did they have a problem with him doing the same in New York. Now why is that? Why wasn't he arrested and taken into custody? What the CDC went on camera and said they did and what they actually did are two very different things. You have your mind made up it would seem. That is ok. Most people believe whatever the media feeds them and take it as the gospel.

]]> By: Speedy http://www.popehat.com/2009/04/30/andrew-speaker-ass/comment-page-1/#comment-28865 Speedy Fri, 01 May 2009 20:49:16 +0000 http://www.popehat.com/?p=4023#comment-28865 No Kate, I am not Andrew Speaker, nice try though. I do however know him and Sarah. I am indeed in Atlanta. Apparently you don't read my posts completely. I know they are long winded at times. If you had read them you would have seen the part about the CDC wanting Sarah and Andrew to drive to Denver for his treatments. Wait, isn't this the contagious, we have to place a federal quarantine on, Andrew Speaker? You seem to forget that his father-in-law was one of the top researchers at the CDC who's specialty was what? Tuberculosis. Do you not think he talked to him? At no point was Speaker ever contagious. Not before going, not while there nor since he returned. This whole thing was set into motion because the CDC had been refused funding increases for TB for the previous 4 or 5 years. They even had a memo which stated that they needed a high profile case to increase their funding. Speaker landed in their lap. As for the"He should have medical knowledge" comment. Please, doctors themselves can't agree on most anything. Speaker is an attorney who hadn't even begun his practice and he had the "best and brightest" doctors who told him repeatedly that he wasn't a threat to anyone. They were right. No Kate, I am not Andrew Speaker, nice try though. I do however know him and Sarah. I am indeed in Atlanta. Apparently you don't read my posts completely. I know they are long winded at times. If you had read them you would have seen the part about the CDC wanting Sarah and Andrew to drive to Denver for his treatments. Wait, isn't this the contagious, we have to place a federal quarantine on, Andrew Speaker? You seem to forget that his father-in-law was one of the top researchers at the CDC who's specialty was what? Tuberculosis. Do you not think he talked to him? At no point was Speaker ever contagious. Not before going, not while there nor since he returned. This whole thing was set into motion because the CDC had been refused funding increases for TB for the previous 4 or 5 years. They even had a memo which stated that they needed a high profile case to increase their funding. Speaker landed in their lap. As for the"He should have medical knowledge" comment. Please, doctors themselves can't agree on most anything. Speaker is an attorney who hadn't even begun his practice and he had the "best and brightest" doctors who told him repeatedly that he wasn't a threat to anyone. They were right.

]]> By: Patrick http://www.popehat.com/2009/04/30/andrew-speaker-ass/comment-page-1/#comment-28854 Patrick Fri, 01 May 2009 18:45:56 +0000 http://www.popehat.com/?p=4023#comment-28854 For what it's worth Kate, I can confirm that Speedy posted his comments from an IP address originating in Atlanta. For what it's worth Kate, I can confirm that Speedy posted his comments from an IP address originating in Atlanta.

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