Maybe Charlie Nesson Can Throw Chalk At Judge Gertner

Law, Law Practice

I recognized that law school grades were completely random back about 17 years ago when I got an A+ in Tax and a B- in Evidence. Prior to that, I had begun to suspect that the whole thing was a scam. That impression was substantially promoted by the time that somewhat famous (or infamous) evidence professor Charlie Nesson threw a piece of chalk at me.

I was asking for it, really. Nesson asked a rather mundane, facially rules-related question. I offered a mundane rules-related answer. He got a terribly disappointed, pensive look on his face, as he was prone to do. “That wasn’t a very profound answer,” he said. “It wasn’t a particularly profound question,” I replied. The class laughed, and he got an angry look on his face and chucked the chalk at me.

The exchange revealed the conflict between my attitude and Nesson’s — and, for that matter, Harvard’s. I wanted to learn how most effectively and skillfully to use the rules of evidence to serve clients. Nesson, and Harvard, wanted to teach me how to feel about the rules of evidence, and how the illusion of a rule-bound approach to evidence illuminated various metaphysical, deontological, epistemological, and social divisions in “reality.” They hoped that this would prepare me to teach other people how to feel about evidence, who could then teach other people, and so on, in an endless feedback loop of ivy-festooned wankery. Nesson seemed to share the view recently expressed elsehwere that law school is not meant to train lawyers, but to “appreciate the depth of the legal discourse and explore its rich complexities.” Thus when Charlie asked his question, he was looking for a deep philosophical answer, not a rule bound one. Hence I got the chalk.

I’ve always thought that this approach to legal education was a sort of mock-intellectual anti-intellectualism, an affected disdain for the actual rules and techniques of lawyering in favor of discussions of how those rules should make us feel. No doubt that attitude is why I thought my clinical experiences in law school were the most valuable part of my education, and why I was so happy to leave.

Why should we care about actual rules, and the means of following, using, and even manipulating them? Because as Charlie Nesson should now be able to tell you, mastery of and respect for the seemingly picayune rules that make up the rule of law are a necessary prerequisite to achieving your big-picture, hi-falutin’ goals.

See, Charlie accepted an appointment to represent a defendant in one of the RIAA’s abysmally thuggish file-sharing cases. (n.b., as Charlie would say, you can follow the course of such cases at the entirely excellent Recording Industry v. The People blog.) Nesson, who is interested in internet issues and has led efforts to explore the application of established law to the internet, no doubt thought he could make some headway against the RIAA in the case. So he tried to compel the deposition of Matthew Oppenheim, a lawyer who has helped devise and lead the RIAA’s litigation strategy.

But Charlie Nesson ran into a black-robed, Article-III-empowered buzz saw in the form of federal judge Nancy Gertner. Gertner is clearly not a friend of the RIAA or an enemy of its detractors — it was her concern about the unfairly one-sided nature of the case that led to Nesson’s appointment. But she is a friend of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure and the local rules. Charlie Nesson, it would seem, is not, perhaps because they are rule-bound and mundane and have not slipped the surly bonds of law into the heavenly realm of theory. So Judge Gertner just issued an order utterly slamming Nesson. In the order — which you can find here, courtesy of Ray Beckerman — Gertner used unusually stern language denying Nesson’s motion to compel Oppenheim’s deposition, pointing out that Nesson failed to issue the correct form of non-party subpoena, failed to comply with his initial disclosure requirements, failed to comply with local rules, and failed to fulfill meet-and-confer obligations. She saves the best for last:

While the Court understands that counsel for the Defendant is a law professor, and that he believes this case serves an important educational function, counsel must also understand that he represents a client in this litigation — a client whose case may well be undermined by the filing of frivolous motions and the failure to comply with the Rules. Submission of a plainly flawed motion cannot be justified as a clinical exercise. The Court will not hesitate to impose appropriate sanctions, including potentially substantial costs, should the Defendant waste either the Plaintiffs’ time and money or scarce judicial resources by filing frivolous motions in the future.

BAM!, as they don’t say at Harvard.

Nesson is one of the most thoughtful inquisitors into the policy issues behind areas of law including, but not limited to, the rules of evidence. But he ought to recall that effective client representation is an entirely different animal than profound legal scholarship. One might even hope that Charlie Nesson, after this lesson, will show a bit less disdain for the rules he has ostensibly chosen to teach.

But if you suggest that to him, watch out for the chalk.

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32 Comments

32 Comments

  1. Patrick  •  Mar 11, 2009 @12:17 pm

    Perhaps Professor Nesson should have audited one of Harvard’s famously rigorous 1L Civil Procedure courses before accepting the case.

    Oh wait. Doh!

    Room for the new first-year courses will be created by devoting fewer class hours to the traditional first-year curriculum (contracts, torts, civil procedure, criminal law, and property) and by revising the school’s calendar to create a new January term for first-year students, devoted exclusively to the Problems and Theories class.

  2. Scott Jacobs  •  Mar 11, 2009 @12:54 pm

    Should I ever need a lawyer, I shall have to make sure they are either named Ken, or did not get their law degree from Harvard.

  3. Jag  •  Mar 11, 2009 @1:35 pm

    I suspect my law school experience was exactly opposite yours. Brooklyn Law was exclusively devoted to learning how to practice law with almost no theory.

    The only class I found to be a waste was Trial Advocacy with U.S. Attorney Ed McDonald. He played himself in Goodfellas as the prosecutor. Most of the class was spent discussing the movie. I came out of the class a better actor than litigator. Which I guess was still helpful.

  4. Ray Beckerman  •  Mar 11, 2009 @2:00 pm

    Arguably, Judge Gertner has been the RIAA’s absolute best friend in the US these past 5 1/2 years. She immediately consolidated all of the RIAA cases into a single case, before her and her alone, although in my view there is no legal basis for consolidation. She has presided over an inferno of default judgments, forced settlements, and one sided rulings, since the inception. In view of the ex parte nature of the majority of the cases, and the pro se nature of the handful of ‘contested’ cases, the RIAA’s lawyers have had an ex parte field day in Boston. In late 2007 or early 2008 I did a quick review the docket, going back to 2003, and found that every ruling on a contested issue had been in favor of the RIAA.

    Yes when some public spirited lawyers took on a John Doe case targeting BU students in late 2007, she started to sit up and take notice it seems, and has started chafing at the bit from time to time since then, but the default judgments keep rolling in despite the infirmities in evidence and pleading and civil procedure, the ex parte orders keep getting entered, the settlements keep getting forced down people’s throats, and even when Judge Gertner protested to the RIAA lawyers that they were ‘bankrupting’ people, she also stated on the record that the law is ‘overwhelmingly on the record companies’ side’, something which any knowledgeable copyright lawyer knows is not so.

    So whether she is still a friend of the RIAA I don’t know. But she certainly has been their great good friend for a long while.

  5. Ken  •  Mar 11, 2009 @2:03 pm

    That’s a helpful perspective, Ray, that was not clear from the snapshot of this one case. My comment that she is not their friend may be inaccurate.

    But I’m not sure it vitiates her comments about Nesson. What’s the point of bringing in lawyers for formerly pro se defendants if they can’t follow the local rules and rules of civil procedure?

  6. Ray Beckerman  •  Mar 11, 2009 @3:15 pm

    “What’s the point of bringing in lawyers for formerly pro se defendants if they can’t follow the local rules and rules of civil procedure?”

    I have no doubt that Professor Nesson and his team can follow the local rules and rules of civil procedure. And I’m sure they will.

    But what I really want to know is what good is any of this hullabaloo in the Tenenbaum case going to do? (1) There are dozens of other RIAA defendants in Massachusetts, all unrepresented by counsel. (2) Neither the Berkman Center, nor the CyberLaw clinic, nor Prof. Nesson, show signs of reaching out to those people. (3) Many if not most of those people are totally innocent, unlike Mr. Tenenbaum who does admit to having engaged in file sharing many years ago. (4) Why does it take this giant team to represent the defendant in one half contested case, while a single lawyer in North Carolina is representing something like 15 defendants in Raleigh and Winston Salem, and while all other Massachusetts defendants are left with no help? (5) What good is all the public relations, if they’re not going to do a strong legal job — e.g. the brief on constitutionality cited none of the cases nor either of the law review articles that dealt with the constitutionality issue, not even the 2d Circuit case which first brought it up in 2003?

    I know Popehat is humorous — I know that because you’ve caused me to bust a gut — and I know that my sense of humor is lacking, especially when it deals with this RIAA stuff, so if you want to delete my comment I won’t feel offended.

    But boy I hope they turn it around up there, and soon.

    One of the key traits, I have found, in the great litigators, is a little humility.

  7. Paul Gowder  •  Mar 11, 2009 @3:33 pm

    Uh, it may surprise you that lawyers who are not law professors can make mistakes in the rule of civil procedure too. Even extremely experienced and skilled lawyers. There are a lot of titchy little rules in the FRCP, and the local rules, and in various other places (like state-law provisions for service of process). I know of extremely well-regarded and skilled litigators with thirty years of experience who have fucked up rules for things like removal and gotten burned. It happens.

  8. Ken  •  Mar 11, 2009 @3:36 pm

    Oh, no question, Paul. I’ve screwed up before and will again.

    But the series of errors and omissions set forth in Judge Gertner’s order suggests more than an attorney trying, and failing, to comply with the rules. It suggests an attorney not particularly giving a shit about the rules, seeing his strategic “big picture” as more important. That’s precisely the attitude I’m criticizing.

  9. Ken  •  Mar 11, 2009 @3:37 pm
    I know Popehat is humorous — I know that because you’ve caused me to bust a gut — and I know that my sense of humor is lacking, especially when it deals with this RIAA stuff, so if you want to delete my comment I won’t feel offended.

    Nonsense! We welcome your comments, which have left us better informed on the subject.

  10. Marc J. Randazza  •  Mar 11, 2009 @4:44 pm

    Its funny, the legal academy absolutely *despises* practitioners. As an adjunct, I can tell you that the disdain is not even far beneath the surface. In fact, it is considered to be a *negative* if you want to teach full time to have “too much” practice experience.

    Nevertheless, full time profs, usually hired to teach, in part because they haven’t been “stained” with actual experience, still insist upon dabbling in practice. Lawrence Lessig blew Eldred v. Ashcroft because he didn’t know squat about practicing. At least he had the self-reflection and class to admit it.

    This is the only profession I can think of where teaching and doing are so disconnected. What we need to do is purge the law schools of these eggheads and have those who CAN teach others how TO. Let these asshats who despise practice go teach in philosophy departments at liberal arts colleges.

  11. Paul Gowder  •  Mar 11, 2009 @6:51 pm

    Actually, to me it suggests a good-faith dispute about whether an attorney representing one of the parties in (at least) related matters counts as a party or not, as well as standard lawyers’ bickering about nonsense like what counts as having met and conferred — nothing unusual at all in ordinary litigation except for the tone of the court’s response, which might well be as a result of the opposite kind of bias — anti-academic bias, as evidenced by the sneering tone the court takes toward the pedagogical use of litigation.

  12. Ken  •  Mar 11, 2009 @6:55 pm

    See, that’s where we differ. If I attempted to meet and confer by simply sending a letter saying “Yo, I am filing this motion,” I would expect to be sanctioned. If I failed to satisfy my Rule 26 disclosure obligations and then ignored the governing local rule saying I could not seek relief because I had not satisfied Rule 26, I would expect to get sanctioned.

    And, frankly, if someone displays more interest in pedagogy than in effective client representation, sneering is warranted.

  13. Ray Beckerman  •  Mar 11, 2009 @7:57 pm

    Most of us who are litigation practitioners in the real world live in a hostile environment, where we have adversaries who want to beat us down, judges who could care less about us, and clients who wonder what we are up to. Accordingly, we don’t relax our guard. We do the best we can for our client, because we know that all around us are people who either want us to fail, or could care less if we fail.

    Prof. Nesson lives in a different world. He is not only a tenured professor in a law school, but he travels in circles — the Berkman center — where he is uniformly adored. On his 70th birthday all of his students and many of his colleagues wore t-shirts with his picture on it.

    Am I envious? You bet. How nice to be adored and revered by all with whom in contact. It must feel good to have a life like that.

    But is there a danger in that? You bet. Coming from such a comfy world, and then finding oneself in the hurly burly of today’s litigation — which is even more vicious than litigation was in the old days — might be a bit of culture shock.

    As I mentioned earlier, Judge Gertner has been no friend to the victims of the RIAA lawsuit.

    And the RIAA lawyers are the most vicious lawyers I have seen in 35 years of experience in the legal field.

    I’m sure Prof. Nesson has gotten the message.

  14. Ray Beckerman  •  Mar 11, 2009 @8:01 pm

    To give you an idea of the kind of lawyers the Jenner & Block/HRO crowd are, today I asked an adversary from Jenner & Block for a 2 week extension of our mutual briefing schedule because my cocounsel was diagnosed with cancer this week.

    Turned me down.

  15. Brandy Karl  •  Mar 11, 2009 @11:43 pm

    I would like to point out that in Massachusetts, conferences aren’t one of those seldom triggered rules. Massachusetts is all about the conference :) Most Massachusetts attorneys extend schedules upon request as long as it is not unduly burdensome to the client (you never know when you’ll need one yourself, and the bar is small – reputations go far).

    If you practice in front of a court, you should read the rules. I didn’t really learn too much about practice in law school, but I learned that. I personally fail to see how repeatedly flouting the authority of the district court is an effective clinical exercise. Or an effective litigation strategy.

  16. Max Kennerly  •  Mar 12, 2009 @8:08 am

    Although I generally agree with the, shall we say, theoretical bend of HLS, I do believe it’s important, as I argued on my blog, to recognize the frequency with which even experienced practioniers disregard the rules. Nesson’s attempt to depose an opposing party’s lawyer in front of his class bore the hallmarks of a stunt, but, flipping the coin, does anyone doubt the RIAA members routinely share litigation materials with one another? Does anyone doubt they flagrantly disregard the norms of the profession, such as in Ray’s example of the cancer and the conference?

  17. Marc J. Randazza  •  Mar 12, 2009 @8:29 am

    To give you an idea of the kind of lawyers the Jenner & Block/HRO crowd are, today I asked an adversary from Jenner & Block for a 2 week extension of our mutual briefing schedule because my cocounsel was diagnosed with cancer this week.

    Turned me down.

    What an asshole. Was it a junior associate? Name names!

  18. Ray Beckerman  •  Mar 12, 2009 @9:31 am

    On the adjournment: it was Steven Fabrizio and Gianni Servodidio. Today they’re claiming they never heard my voicemail, left 5 hrs earlier.

    On the Oppenheim thing: it’s not black & white like the Judge’s decision might make you think. Oppenheim is NOT the plaintiffs’ lawyer. The only time he ever acts as their lawyer is on cases in DC, Maryland, and Virginia. He has termed himself as “the client”, “the client representative”, “the industry representative”, “the principal”, and the “only person in the world who has settlement authority”. He is in fact empowered to decide the terms of all settlements, or at least he has represented to the judges that that is the case. So to insist upon a right to depose him as a party deponent is not far fetched at all.

  19. Ray Beckerman  •  Mar 12, 2009 @9:35 am

    I.e. Mr. Oppenheim says what it’s convenient for him to say, with little or no regard for what is true. When I objected to his appearing at a settlement conference as the ‘principal’, saying he was just a lawyer — he said no he’s not the lawyer, he’s the principal of the client.

    But when — as in the present situation — he wants to weasel out of being deposed, then all of a sudden he’s the “lawyer”. I wonder if he’s even admitted to practice in the District of Massachusetts.

  20. Patrick  •  Mar 12, 2009 @9:41 am

    Five Oppenheims in Massachusetts, none of them Matthew.

    http://massbbo.org/bbolookup.php

    Of course, that he’s not admitted in Massachusetts, or signing pleadings in a given case, doesn’t mean he’s not acting as an attorney, any more than it does in the case of corporate counsel.

  21. Ray Beckerman  •  Mar 12, 2009 @1:34 pm

    Let us say he is chameleon like; he claims what is convenient at the moment. But it is clear that he is not counsel of record, except on the cases in the DC area. And it is likewise clear that he is associated with the RIAA, and that he has decision-making power in settlement. It is likewise clear that he has represented to the courts on numerous occasions that he was not there as an attorney but as ‘client’. ‘client representative’, ‘industry representative’, the ‘principal’, and as the ‘sole person with settlement authority for all of the plaintiffs’.

    It seems to me that he should be deposed.

  22. Ray Beckerman  •  Mar 12, 2009 @2:03 pm

    I guess Prof. Nesson and Holme Roberts & Owen are in a contest to see which of them can do more to piss off Judge Gertner.

    http://recordingindustryvspeople.blogspot.com/2009_03_01_archive.html#2361858234368468907

    My money’s on Holme Roberts & Owen.

  23. Reed  •  Mar 12, 2009 @2:13 pm

    I don’t think the judge’s order necessarily forecloses the possibility of deposing him. It looks like if Nesson served a proper Rule 45 motion, he might have a shot at deposing Oppenheim. Moreover, as far as I know, there’s no hard and fast rule against deposing an attorney. It’s just that, in most cases, what one is likely to ask that attorney is comprised primarily of questions covered by the attorney-client privilege, and therefore a good argument is made that any such deposition, by its nature, is meant to harass rather than to obtain legitimate information.

    Based on these posts, it looks like a subpoena for deposition on the limited issue of Oppenheim’s role (attorney vs. client) in these cases would be a potentially fruitful first step, thereafter followed by a motion for leave to take a second deposition upon a showing that Oppenheim is not covered by the attorney-client privilege given his role as “client”.

  24. Reed  •  Mar 12, 2009 @2:20 pm

    Re your most recent comment, Ray, perhaps the RIAA believes that their appeal to the First Circuit divests the District Court of jurisdiction to reconsider its prior order. While I haven’t researched that precise issue in federal court, I know in our (NC) state courts that a trial judge’s order can be modified by that trial judge even while the order is on appeal. I would hazard a guess under the Federal law that such orders are in fieri even while on appeal, and the trial judge retains jurisdiction to reconsider her prior order.

    Or maybe the RIAA just wants to thumb their nose at Judge Gertner.

  25. Ray Beckerman  •  Mar 12, 2009 @2:25 pm

    Reed

    1. The 1st Circuit specifically ruled that it was not staying anything other than the televising.

    2. There is no appealable order, hence no appeal; it’s just a petition for mandamus or prohibition.

  26. Reed  •  Mar 12, 2009 @2:31 pm

    Thanks for the clarification Ray.

    Looks like the “thumb their nose” theory is the right one.

  27. Patrick  •  Mar 12, 2009 @3:37 pm

    Ahem.

    For those who aren’t lawyers, the idea of filing a one paragraph “Notice” telling a federal judge that she lacks jurisdiction in response to an order (on a matter where the judge clearly does have jurisdiction), is, well, pick your metaphor: Walking into a biker bar and announcing you can take any man in the place? Standing on Mt Olympus and cursing Zeus? Kicking a mastiff?

    It’s pretty damned stupid. As Ray says, I’ve never seen anything like this.

  28. Ray Beckerman  •  Mar 12, 2009 @9:39 pm

    Patrick…you have a much more vivid writing style than I. Thanks for the amplification.

    :)

  29. Ray Beckerman  •  Mar 13, 2009 @8:29 am

    Patrick, on reflection there is a slight flaw in your analogies. Each might be considered an act of bravery.

    Knowing the people involved as I do, I can assure you this was not an act of bravery, but rather one of stupidity.

    I cannot praise a cloistered virtue.

  30. Patrick  •  Mar 13, 2009 @8:40 am

    Meaning that the attorneys who filed the “Notice” don’t appreciate the risk, and think it proper pleading to file non-rules “Notices” advising a federal judge, incorrectly, that the judge lacks jurisdiction?

    If that’s the case, they have no business representing clients in small claims court.

  31. Ray Beckerman  •  Mar 13, 2009 @11:17 am

    Yes, Patrick. They have no business representing clients.

  32. Ray Beckerman  •  Mar 14, 2009 @12:29 pm

    And now the RIAA lawyers publicly admit to the Appeals Court that they never mentioned the 1st Circuit Judicial Council resolution to Judge Gertner (thus proving she could not have been acting outside of her discretion) and that the reason was that they couldn’t “confirm” whether such a resolution even existing (thus establishing the invalidity of the resolution, since the requisite public notice and recording had not taken place), all rendering even more inexplicable their refusal to present the information and arguments to Judge Gertner which they would have presented to her in the first place had they been acting competently, and were the resolution they seek to enforce valid.

    http://is.gd/nmnu

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