Comments on: Natural Resources Defense Council: Do As We Say, Not As We Sue http://www.popehat.com/2009/02/06/national-resources-defense-council-do-as-we-say-not-as-we-sue/ A Group Complaint about Law, Liberty, and Leisure Thu, 09 Feb 2012 22:39:39 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Leslee http://www.popehat.com/2009/02/06/national-resources-defense-council-do-as-we-say-not-as-we-sue/comment-page-1/#comment-23741 Leslee Mon, 16 Feb 2009 20:13:15 +0000 http://www.popehat.com/?p=3014#comment-23741 Ditto Connie's comment! The wikipedia page on phthalates says "A study published in 2005 reported that human phthalate exposure during pregnancy resulted in decreased anogenital distance among baby boys." That's about the extent of "harm" phthlates can do to a human. But how does that relate to children's products? Ditto Connie's comment! The wikipedia page on phthalates says "A study published in 2005 reported that human phthalate exposure during pregnancy resulted in decreased anogenital distance among baby boys." That's about the extent of "harm" phthlates can do to a human. But how does that relate to children's products?

]]> By: CPSIA chronicles, February 12 http://www.popehat.com/2009/02/06/national-resources-defense-council-do-as-we-say-not-as-we-sue/comment-page-1/#comment-23339 CPSIA chronicles, February 12 Thu, 12 Feb 2009 18:10:46 +0000 http://www.popehat.com/?p=3014#comment-23339 [...] treatment includes more from John Holbo at Crooked Timber, several posts at Popehat, Wacky Hermit on Thoreau and unjust laws, Charles Kuffner/Off the Kuff, Scholars and [...] [...] treatment includes more from John Holbo at Crooked Timber, several posts at Popehat, Wacky Hermit on Thoreau and unjust laws, Charles Kuffner/Off the Kuff, Scholars and [...]

]]> By: Bob http://www.popehat.com/2009/02/06/national-resources-defense-council-do-as-we-say-not-as-we-sue/comment-page-1/#comment-23039 Bob Sun, 08 Feb 2009 23:10:03 +0000 http://www.popehat.com/?p=3014#comment-23039 Great! Now instead of saying she has a headache, my wife will say I need to be tested for lead and phthalates by a third party testing firm. Great! Now instead of saying she has a headache, my wife will say I need to be tested for lead and phthalates by a third party testing firm.

]]> By: Connie Ballas http://www.popehat.com/2009/02/06/national-resources-defense-council-do-as-we-say-not-as-we-sue/comment-page-1/#comment-22924 Connie Ballas Sat, 07 Feb 2009 13:08:22 +0000 http://www.popehat.com/?p=3014#comment-22924 From NRDC press release "Numerous animal studies have linked prenatal exposure to certain phthalates with decreases in testosterone, malformations of the genitalia, and reduced sperm production." So why is the ban on children's toys and childcare products? Shouldn't it be on items that pregnant women chew on??? From NRDC press release "Numerous animal studies have linked prenatal exposure to certain phthalates with decreases in testosterone, malformations of the genitalia, and reduced sperm production."

So why is the ban on children's toys and childcare products? Shouldn't it be on items that pregnant women chew on???

]]> By: NRDC’s non-compliant onesie http://www.popehat.com/2009/02/06/national-resources-defense-council-do-as-we-say-not-as-we-sue/comment-page-1/#comment-22886 NRDC’s non-compliant onesie Fri, 06 Feb 2009 21:07:35 +0000 http://www.popehat.com/?p=3014#comment-22886 [...] by the law because only manufacturers have to worry about testing, right? (Wrong.) Common Room and Patrick @ Popehat have the [...] [...] by the law because only manufacturers have to worry about testing, right? (Wrong.) Common Room and Patrick @ Popehat have the [...]

]]> By: Patrick http://www.popehat.com/2009/02/06/national-resources-defense-council-do-as-we-say-not-as-we-sue/comment-page-1/#comment-22885 Patrick Fri, 06 Feb 2009 20:58:40 +0000 http://www.popehat.com/?p=3014#comment-22885 The loophole would be absolutely ineffective. The onesie was available for sale earlier this afternoon, and it's only available now in return for a donation that far exceeds its worth. Any competent attorney general would see that this is a sham, and that CPSIA is in fact selling the onesie. I fully expect this product to be off the NRDC's site next week. It is a potentially toxic product, sold for children, and it violates our law. The loophole would be absolutely ineffective. The onesie was available for sale earlier this afternoon, and it's only available now in return for a donation that far exceeds its worth. Any competent attorney general would see that this is a sham, and that CPSIA is in fact selling the onesie.

I fully expect this product to be off the NRDC's site next week. It is a potentially toxic product, sold for children, and it violates our law.

]]> By: HonoluluHoneyBaby http://www.popehat.com/2009/02/06/national-resources-defense-council-do-as-we-say-not-as-we-sue/comment-page-1/#comment-22884 HonoluluHoneyBaby Fri, 06 Feb 2009 20:52:55 +0000 http://www.popehat.com/?p=3014#comment-22884 Yep, Section 108 of CPSIA says: "...it shall be unlawful for any person to manufacture for sale, offer for sale, distribute in commerce, or import into the United States any children’s toy or child care article that contains concentrations of more than 0.1 percent of di-(2-ethylhexyl) phthalate (DEHP), dibutyl phthalate(DBP), or benzyl butyl phthalate (BBP)." NRDC is now attempting to use a "legal loophole" to distribute their questionable goods by giving them away for donations. Closing legal loopholes was actually mentioned in NRDC's successful NY lawsuit to prove original intent of CPSIA. Yep, Section 108 of CPSIA says:
"…it shall be unlawful for any person to manufacture for sale, offer for sale, distribute in commerce, or import into the United States any children’s toy
or child care article that contains concentrations of more than 0.1 percent of di-(2-ethylhexyl) phthalate (DEHP), dibutyl phthalate(DBP), or benzyl butyl phthalate (BBP)."
NRDC is now attempting to use a "legal loophole" to distribute their questionable goods by giving them away for donations. Closing legal loopholes was actually mentioned in NRDC's successful NY lawsuit to prove original intent of CPSIA.

]]> By: Shopfloor » Blog Archive » CPSIA Update: The NRDC Endangers Your Children http://www.popehat.com/2009/02/06/national-resources-defense-council-do-as-we-say-not-as-we-sue/comment-page-1/#comment-22882 Shopfloor » Blog Archive » CPSIA Update: The NRDC Endangers Your Children Fri, 06 Feb 2009 20:41:17 +0000 http://www.popehat.com/?p=3014#comment-22882 [...] by the law because only manufacturers have to worry about testing, right? (Wrong.) Common Room and Patrick @ Popehat have the [...] [...] by the law because only manufacturers have to worry about testing, right? (Wrong.) Common Room and Patrick @ Popehat have the [...]

]]> By: DeputyHeadmistress http://www.popehat.com/2009/02/06/national-resources-defense-council-do-as-we-say-not-as-we-sue/comment-page-1/#comment-22881 DeputyHeadmistress Fri, 06 Feb 2009 20:34:20 +0000 http://www.popehat.com/?p=3014#comment-22881 Wow. Well spotted. I linked.=) Wow. Well spotted. I linked.=)

]]> By: Mark http://www.popehat.com/2009/02/06/national-resources-defense-council-do-as-we-say-not-as-we-sue/comment-page-1/#comment-22880 Mark Fri, 06 Feb 2009 20:32:16 +0000 http://www.popehat.com/?p=3014#comment-22880 HAH! For the first group to get sued under the new law, I nominate NRDC. I can see it now: the first ever lawsuit where an interest group sues itself. Can you imagine the landmark status that NRDC v. NRDC would assume? It would fit right alongside Kramer v. Kramer and Mothra v. Godzilla, not to mention Joe v. the Volcano. In other news, you should really check out the NRDC's celebration of yesterday's decision overturning the CPSC opinion that exempted phthalates from inventory retroactivity. One of the best things about it is that it includes this magnificent line: "Today in America our top retailers such as Wal-Mart and Toys R Us are taking stronger measures to protect our children than the government agency charged with doing so." So, yeah, clearly if the biggest retailers are taking strong measures, there can be no debate that government's measures are insufficiently strong. Either that or markets work pretty well. I'm not sure which. It's available here: http://switchboard.nrdc.org/blogs/sjanssen/court_agrees_phthalates_are_ba.html HAH! For the first group to get sued under the new law, I nominate NRDC. I can see it now: the first ever lawsuit where an interest group sues itself. Can you imagine the landmark status that NRDC v. NRDC would assume? It would fit right alongside Kramer v. Kramer and Mothra v. Godzilla, not to mention Joe v. the Volcano.

In other news, you should really check out the NRDC's celebration of yesterday's decision overturning the CPSC opinion that exempted phthalates from inventory retroactivity. One of the best things about it is that it includes this magnificent line: "Today in America our top retailers such as Wal-Mart and Toys R Us are taking stronger measures to protect our children than the government agency charged with doing so." So, yeah, clearly if the biggest retailers are taking strong measures, there can be no debate that government's measures are insufficiently strong. Either that or markets work pretty well. I'm not sure which.

It's available here: http://switchboard.nrdc.org/blogs/sjanssen/court_agrees_phthalates_are_ba.html

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