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	<title>Comments on: Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Child Protective Services Department</title>
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	<description>A Group Complaint about Law, Liberty, and Leisure</description>
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		<title>By: Harvard Researchers: Take Obese Kids Away From Their Parents</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harvard Researchers: Take Obese Kids Away From Their Parents</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2011 21:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] limited state intervention into the lives of citizens are capriciously and maliciously applied, usually in a disproportionate fashion against the unpopular or the powerless. Moreover, when the state trains and equips to exercise power upon some [...]</description>
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		<title>By: KipEsquire</title>
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		<dc:creator>KipEsquire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to clarify, the Sheriff indicated that &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;his office&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; received no reports. That in no way means that child welfare authorities received no reports. If I see a child being abused or neglected, I&#039;m not likely to call the sheriff. (Actually, I&#039;m not likely to call the sheriff, as opposed to the police, for anything).

Just saying...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to clarify, the Sheriff indicated that <b><i>his office</i></b> received no reports. That in no way means that child welfare authorities received no reports. If I see a child being abused or neglected, I'm not likely to call the sheriff. (Actually, I'm not likely to call the sheriff, as opposed to the police, for anything).</p>
<p>Just saying&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: PollyChalmers</title>
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		<dc:creator>PollyChalmers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 10:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an excellent post, and though I find them loathsome as well, I agree with you.

It&#039;s appalling the abuses the DYFS services get away with, while letting real abuse just slide until children die.  Four boys starved under their very eyes for years, while they were busy removing children from people they just didn&#039;t like.   It happens all the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an excellent post, and though I find them loathsome as well, I agree with you.</p>
<p>It's appalling the abuses the DYFS services get away with, while letting real abuse just slide until children die.  Four boys starved under their very eyes for years, while they were busy removing children from people they just didn't like.   It happens all the time.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 21:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I view the topic, in this case, as the particular oddball group under the microscope.  In that sense Weaver, who was condemned in terms reserved for the likes of Timothy McVeigh before Gerry Spence showed the truth (the FBI would &lt;em&gt;never&lt;/em&gt; take potshots at white supremacists for no good reason) is a perfect analogy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I view the topic, in this case, as the particular oddball group under the microscope.  In that sense Weaver, who was condemned in terms reserved for the likes of Timothy McVeigh before Gerry Spence showed the truth (the FBI would <em>never</em> take potshots at white supremacists for no good reason) is a perfect analogy.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 20:44:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, your &quot;I don&#039;t trust my government&quot; link could easily have gone to the slightly more on-topic destination of a discussion of the appallingly thuggish and lawless behavior of Texas child-protection bureaucrats towards &lt;a href=&quot;http://volokh.com/archives/archive_2008_04_20-2008_04_26.shtml#1208964908&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;an unpopular religious minority.&lt;/a&gt;

Trust of the government is a curious thing.  Some people hit the Chimpy McHalliburton button as hard as they can and would never trust the Bush Administration about anything, yet have a bizarrely placid demeanor towards various elements of federal, state, and local officialdom.  Others are the exact opposite.  I don&#039;t get it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, your "I don't trust my government" link could easily have gone to the slightly more on-topic destination of a discussion of the appallingly thuggish and lawless behavior of Texas child-protection bureaucrats towards <a href="http://volokh.com/archives/archive_2008_04_20-2008_04_26.shtml#1208964908" rel="nofollow">an unpopular religious minority.</a></p>
<p>Trust of the government is a curious thing.  Some people hit the Chimpy McHalliburton button as hard as they can and would never trust the Bush Administration about anything, yet have a bizarrely placid demeanor towards various elements of federal, state, and local officialdom.  Others are the exact opposite.  I don't get it.</p>
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		<title>By: Defending People &#187; How to Turn Villains Into Victims</title>
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		<dc:creator>Defending People &#187; How to Turn Villains Into Victims</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 17:50:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Hinler Jeannie Campbell&#8221;, have to go to court to try to get their kids back after the three children were snatched by New Jersey&#8217;s Division of Youth and Family Services. The local chief of police &#8220;didn&#8217;t know why the children were taken but said his [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Hinler Jeannie Campbell", have to go to court to try to get their kids back after the three children were snatched by New Jersey's Division of Youth and Family Services. The local chief of police "didn't know why the children were taken but said his [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 16:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I quite agree.  

There is little question in my mind that raising these kids as neo-Nazis sets them up for a lifetime of FAIL, or at least a chunk of their lifetime until they escape their parent&#039;s wife-beater-shirted orbit and develop independent thought.    

But that&#039;s not the sort of abuse, I think, that the government can address.  You and I can come up with a thousand equally credible scenarios of officious bureaucrats concluding that some lifestyle or viewpoint is so inherently wrong and harmful to warrant removal of children.  For every bureaucrat who wants to remove the kids from a neo-Nazi home, there&#039;s a bureaucrat who wants to remove kids from the home of, say, a loud gay rights advocate, or drug legalization advocate, or anarchist, or whatever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I quite agree.  </p>
<p>There is little question in my mind that raising these kids as neo-Nazis sets them up for a lifetime of FAIL, or at least a chunk of their lifetime until they escape their parent's wife-beater-shirted orbit and develop independent thought.    </p>
<p>But that's not the sort of abuse, I think, that the government can address.  You and I can come up with a thousand equally credible scenarios of officious bureaucrats concluding that some lifestyle or viewpoint is so inherently wrong and harmful to warrant removal of children.  For every bureaucrat who wants to remove the kids from a neo-Nazi home, there's a bureaucrat who wants to remove kids from the home of, say, a loud gay rights advocate, or drug legalization advocate, or anarchist, or whatever.</p>
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