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	<title>Comments on: What&#8217;s The Good of a Charitable Enterprise if You Can&#8217;t Pervert it to Score Political Points?</title>
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		<title>By: Maggie</title>
		<link>http://www.popehat.com/2007/11/03/whats-the-good-of-a-charitable-enterprise-if-you-cant-pervert-it-to-score-political-points/comment-page-1/#comment-68</link>
		<dc:creator>Maggie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ezra - I was kidding, that&#039;s why I said we&#039;d keep FbL working hard....not me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ezra &#8211; I was kidding, that&#8217;s why I said we&#8217;d keep FbL working hard&#8230;.not me.</p>
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		<title>By: Ezra</title>
		<link>http://www.popehat.com/2007/11/03/whats-the-good-of-a-charitable-enterprise-if-you-cant-pervert-it-to-score-political-points/comment-page-1/#comment-67</link>
		<dc:creator>Ezra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 16:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, that is exactly what I am suggesting (although, nowhere did I say to not try so hard..) In my experience, it&#039;s really easy to get depressed about how little you are actually able to do in the non-profit world. That&#039;s why we make a point of celebrating little wins. The big wins come by infrequently, and even when one does, there is still so much more that needs to be done. It can become a really demoralizing grind. It&#039;s important to take the time to recognize the good you are doing. Appreciate the people you help, don&#039;t regret the one&#039;s you haven&#039;t helped.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, that is exactly what I am suggesting (although, nowhere did I say to not try so hard..) In my experience, it&#8217;s really easy to get depressed about how little you are actually able to do in the non-profit world. That&#8217;s why we make a point of celebrating little wins. The big wins come by infrequently, and even when one does, there is still so much more that needs to be done. It can become a really demoralizing grind. It&#8217;s important to take the time to recognize the good you are doing. Appreciate the people you help, don&#8217;t regret the one&#8217;s you haven&#8217;t helped.</p>
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		<title>By: Maggie</title>
		<link>http://www.popehat.com/2007/11/03/whats-the-good-of-a-charitable-enterprise-if-you-cant-pervert-it-to-score-political-points/comment-page-1/#comment-66</link>
		<dc:creator>Maggie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 05:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ezra - I&#039;d like to address the first paragraph because I don&#039;t debate religion.

I just want to be sure I&#039;m reading this correctly.  Because we can&#039;t get a laptop to every wounded soldier we should lighten up and not try so hard?  LOL

Now that&#039;s not exactly the spirit, is it?  I think we&#039;ll keep FbL&#039;s shoulder to the wheel and nose to the grindstone, thank you very much!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ezra &#8211; I&#8217;d like to address the first paragraph because I don&#8217;t debate religion.</p>
<p>I just want to be sure I&#8217;m reading this correctly.  Because we can&#8217;t get a laptop to every wounded soldier we should lighten up and not try so hard?  LOL</p>
<p>Now that&#8217;s not exactly the spirit, is it?  I think we&#8217;ll keep FbL&#8217;s shoulder to the wheel and nose to the grindstone, thank you very much!</p>
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		<title>By: ImJohnGalt</title>
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		<dc:creator>ImJohnGalt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 04:55:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Followed a trackback from Malkin&#039;s back here to see what was going on here (I lurk at Balloon-Juice).

Maggie/FbL, in the same way that the Republicans have politicized *everything* [DoJ, NASA, Climate Change], Malkin will use whatever the outcome is here to aggrandize herself - she won&#039;t be able to help herself.

If liberal blogs take up her challenge overtly, she&#039;ll crow at how she shamed some dirty libs into donating to the troops, which they would otherwise *never* do [regardless of your prior assertion that some have donated, anonymously].  If they donate anonymously and don&#039;t tell Malkin, she&#039;ll use it as evidence that &quot;The Left&quot; doesn&#039;t give a shit about wounded soldiers, their efforts to increase funding for the returning wounded (defeated by the Republicans, by the way) notwithstanding.

It&#039;s a fool&#039;s game. It&#039;s *really* unfortunate that your charity is caught in the crossfire, but her motives are *never* unselfish. I think that&#039;s what people are reacting to.  As I mentioned at Balloon-Juice, FbL playing along with that just rubs people who are already accused by Malkin&#039;s ilk of &quot;hating the troops&quot; the wrong way.

Look at the bright side, at least you&#039;ll have the 101st Fighting Keyboarders full-throated support, and to hear them talk, they support the troops more than *anyone* [up to $250.00].</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Followed a trackback from Malkin&#8217;s back here to see what was going on here (I lurk at Balloon-Juice).</p>
<p>Maggie/FbL, in the same way that the Republicans have politicized *everything* [DoJ, NASA, Climate Change], Malkin will use whatever the outcome is here to aggrandize herself &#8211; she won&#8217;t be able to help herself.</p>
<p>If liberal blogs take up her challenge overtly, she&#8217;ll crow at how she shamed some dirty libs into donating to the troops, which they would otherwise *never* do [regardless of your prior assertion that some have donated, anonymously].  If they donate anonymously and don&#8217;t tell Malkin, she&#8217;ll use it as evidence that &#8220;The Left&#8221; doesn&#8217;t give a shit about wounded soldiers, their efforts to increase funding for the returning wounded (defeated by the Republicans, by the way) notwithstanding.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a fool&#8217;s game. It&#8217;s *really* unfortunate that your charity is caught in the crossfire, but her motives are *never* unselfish. I think that&#8217;s what people are reacting to.  As I mentioned at Balloon-Juice, FbL playing along with that just rubs people who are already accused by Malkin&#8217;s ilk of &#8220;hating the troops&#8221; the wrong way.</p>
<p>Look at the bright side, at least you&#8217;ll have the 101st Fighting Keyboarders full-throated support, and to hear them talk, they support the troops more than *anyone* [up to $250.00].</p>
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		<title>By: Ezra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ezra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 21:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, from your financial statements (from the website FBL linked above) I&#039;d say y&#039;all are doing ok. It&#039;s very important that you not let the enormity of your goal blind you to your accomplishments. You aren&#039;t going to give every single soldier a laptop, but celebrate the one&#039;s you do help. In the non-profit world, it can be very hard to see the forest for the trees.

One of my largest pet peeves is how down right un-Christian so many of these professed religious right folks are. How come we always have to point out &quot;Islam is a religion of peace&quot; but we never seem to have give Christianity the same disclaimer. Apparently only Muslims can warp their religion to insane ends. Christians would never do that. Nope. No sirree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, from your financial statements (from the website FBL linked above) I&#8217;d say y&#8217;all are doing ok. It&#8217;s very important that you not let the enormity of your goal blind you to your accomplishments. You aren&#8217;t going to give every single soldier a laptop, but celebrate the one&#8217;s you do help. In the non-profit world, it can be very hard to see the forest for the trees.</p>
<p>One of my largest pet peeves is how down right un-Christian so many of these professed religious right folks are. How come we always have to point out &#8220;Islam is a religion of peace&#8221; but we never seem to have give Christianity the same disclaimer. Apparently only Muslims can warp their religion to insane ends. Christians would never do that. Nope. No sirree.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 21:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It occurs to me that I have failed to explore the religious implications of Michelle&#039;s call to action.

What would Jesus say?  I&#039;m not sure.  But here is how Matthew 6:1 quotes Him:  &quot;Be careful not to do your &#039;acts of righteousness&#039; before men, to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven.

 2&quot;  So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. 3  But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4  so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.&quot;

Now, I grant you, Jesus doesn&#039;t explicitly say that you shouldn&#039;t use charity to shame people.  I leave it to the imagination of the reader whether that is a subtext.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It occurs to me that I have failed to explore the religious implications of Michelle&#8217;s call to action.</p>
<p>What would Jesus say?  I&#8217;m not sure.  But here is how Matthew 6:1 quotes Him:  &#8220;Be careful not to do your &#8216;acts of righteousness&#8217; before men, to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven.</p>
<p> 2&#8243;  So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. 3  But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4  so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.&#8221;</p>
<p>Now, I grant you, Jesus doesn&#8217;t explicitly say that you shouldn&#8217;t use charity to shame people.  I leave it to the imagination of the reader whether that is a subtext.</p>
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		<title>By: Maggie</title>
		<link>http://www.popehat.com/2007/11/03/whats-the-good-of-a-charitable-enterprise-if-you-cant-pervert-it-to-score-political-points/comment-page-1/#comment-61</link>
		<dc:creator>Maggie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 20:31:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ezra - the challenge was to blog about Valor-IT.  So I will offer the same in kind once I have read enough about it.  I wouldn&#039;t want to get tied up with anything political, so I will need to look into it.  Valor-IT is completely non-partisan.  Blogging, supporting, donating to Valor-IT does not endorse or condemn the war.  I would have to be sure that WarChild.org is the same.

You have a point about the &quot;give to my charity or else&quot;.  We have gotten a little carried away amongst ourselves.  Springbored&#039;s Springboard has the widget up on his site with the admonition &quot;So BostonMaggie Won&#039;t Hurt Us...Pony Up For Valor-IT!&quot;.  We all think it&#039;s funny but I can see how someone else wouldn&#039;t see the humor.

I freely admit to having no idea how to raise money for charity.  I am terribly self-centered and heartless and this is my first experience.  So thanks for the advice and benefit of your experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ezra &#8211; the challenge was to blog about Valor-IT.  So I will offer the same in kind once I have read enough about it.  I wouldn&#8217;t want to get tied up with anything political, so I will need to look into it.  Valor-IT is completely non-partisan.  Blogging, supporting, donating to Valor-IT does not endorse or condemn the war.  I would have to be sure that WarChild.org is the same.</p>
<p>You have a point about the &#8220;give to my charity or else&#8221;.  We have gotten a little carried away amongst ourselves.  Springbored&#8217;s Springboard has the widget up on his site with the admonition &#8220;So BostonMaggie Won&#8217;t Hurt Us&#8230;Pony Up For Valor-IT!&#8221;.  We all think it&#8217;s funny but I can see how someone else wouldn&#8217;t see the humor.</p>
<p>I freely admit to having no idea how to raise money for charity.  I am terribly self-centered and heartless and this is my first experience.  So thanks for the advice and benefit of your experience.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
		<link>http://www.popehat.com/2007/11/03/whats-the-good-of-a-charitable-enterprise-if-you-cant-pervert-it-to-score-political-points/comment-page-1/#comment-60</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 19:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are those kids terrorists, or people who might grow up to be terrorists if they live to adulthood?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are those kids terrorists, or people who might grow up to be terrorists if they live to adulthood?</p>
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		<title>By: Ezra</title>
		<link>http://www.popehat.com/2007/11/03/whats-the-good-of-a-charitable-enterprise-if-you-cant-pervert-it-to-score-political-points/comment-page-1/#comment-59</link>
		<dc:creator>Ezra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 19:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I&#039;m one of the many facets of Ken&#039;s personality. I just blog here. Ken&#039;s a big believer in affirmative action, so he needed a Jew.

Can I challenge conservative bloggers to blog positively about warchild (www.warchild.org.uk) a group raising money to try and help some of the kids that happened to get in the way of the bombs we are surgically dropping on insurgents? Something tells me that would not be a respectful discussion. Especially if we got say Michael Moore to make the challenge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I&#8217;m one of the many facets of Ken&#8217;s personality. I just blog here. Ken&#8217;s a big believer in affirmative action, so he needed a Jew.</p>
<p>Can I challenge conservative bloggers to blog positively about warchild (www.warchild.org.uk) a group raising money to try and help some of the kids that happened to get in the way of the bombs we are surgically dropping on insurgents? Something tells me that would not be a respectful discussion. Especially if we got say Michael Moore to make the challenge.</p>
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		<title>By: FbL</title>
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		<dc:creator>FbL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 18:53:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ezra,

One more thing: I can&#039;t figure out how to get to your blog, but I&#039;d love to take a look.  I haven&#039;t yet heard from Malkin herself, but her commenters who put down their own challenges are starting to pay up.  So, if you&#039;re sincerely interested in blogging about Valour-IT, I&#039;d love to add your name to the list.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ezra,</p>
<p>One more thing: I can&#8217;t figure out how to get to your blog, but I&#8217;d love to take a look.  I haven&#8217;t yet heard from Malkin herself, but her commenters who put down their own challenges are starting to pay up.  So, if you&#8217;re sincerely interested in blogging about Valour-IT, I&#8217;d love to add your name to the list.  <img src='http://www.popehat.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: FbL</title>
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		<dc:creator>FbL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 18:51:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for the advice, Ezra.  Please allow me to point out that Malkin is not asking people to &lt;i&gt;donate&lt;/i&gt; from a political perspective, but simply challenging them to blog in support of it.  We&#039;ve always had people from across the political spectrum donating to Valour-IT, but the number &lt;i&gt;blogging&lt;/i&gt; about it from the left has historically been rather small.  Part of that is a function of having been born on the milblogs, which as a whole lean strongly conservative (though not always on social issues), and so the percentages are going to be on the conservative side simply because of community connectedness.

In past years smaller bloggers among us have actively reached out to the liberal bloggers we know, but with extremely limited success.  So far this year, I&#039;ve found five liberal bloggers supporting Valour-IT, which is an exciting increase.  :)

Anyway, I appreciate the respectful discussion here, and just wanted to clarify that the challenge is textual, not financial.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the advice, Ezra.  Please allow me to point out that Malkin is not asking people to <i>donate</i> from a political perspective, but simply challenging them to blog in support of it.  We&#8217;ve always had people from across the political spectrum donating to Valour-IT, but the number <i>blogging</i> about it from the left has historically been rather small.  Part of that is a function of having been born on the milblogs, which as a whole lean strongly conservative (though not always on social issues), and so the percentages are going to be on the conservative side simply because of community connectedness.</p>
<p>In past years smaller bloggers among us have actively reached out to the liberal bloggers we know, but with extremely limited success.  So far this year, I&#8217;ve found five liberal bloggers supporting Valour-IT, which is an exciting increase.  <img src='http://www.popehat.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Anyway, I appreciate the respectful discussion here, and just wanted to clarify that the challenge is textual, not financial.</p>
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		<title>By: Ezra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ezra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 16:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m liberal, and I&#039;m an intermittent blogger, but something tells me I wouldn&#039;t satisfy Malkin&#039;s criteria. I agree with Ken that grandstanding in a &quot;give to my charity or else&quot; sort of way is as distasteful as anything else Mlakin does. Working for a non-profit myself, I am keenly aware of the tightrope any sort of celebrity endorsement (whether requested or not) forces an organization to walk. We had Ann Richards speak at one of our meetings, and some of our doctors were vocally upset, seeing her as a political spokesperson (despite the fact that she was talking about her diseases, and how well the nice Pharma company that paid her way treated them.) We lost member&#039;s because they saw Governor Richards as a spokesperson for our organization. You run the same risk if you have someone like Michelle Malkin fronting for you (again, whether requested or not..)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m liberal, and I&#8217;m an intermittent blogger, but something tells me I wouldn&#8217;t satisfy Malkin&#8217;s criteria. I agree with Ken that grandstanding in a &#8220;give to my charity or else&#8221; sort of way is as distasteful as anything else Mlakin does. Working for a non-profit myself, I am keenly aware of the tightrope any sort of celebrity endorsement (whether requested or not) forces an organization to walk. We had Ann Richards speak at one of our meetings, and some of our doctors were vocally upset, seeing her as a political spokesperson (despite the fact that she was talking about her diseases, and how well the nice Pharma company that paid her way treated them.) We lost member&#8217;s because they saw Governor Richards as a spokesperson for our organization. You run the same risk if you have someone like Michelle Malkin fronting for you (again, whether requested or not..)</p>
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		<title>By: Maggie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maggie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 16:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian - I&#039;m on your side.  My blog is 98% nonsense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian &#8211; I&#8217;m on your side.  My blog is 98% nonsense.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 15:42:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian, comic relief is a perfectly respectable calling.  Who doesn&#039;t like the gravediggers in Hamlet? ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian, comic relief is a perfectly respectable calling.  Who doesn&#8217;t like the gravediggers in Hamlet? <img src='http://www.popehat.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 15:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See, it&#039;s things like this that stop me from blogging here.  Here is Ken, ruffling the feathers of charitable organization with real commentary on real issues.  And all I can do is complain about my crummy neighbors and the dumb things they do?</description>
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